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Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 1:56 PM
Subject: Never Forget

NEVER FORGET!!
 Times change...Memories remain!

Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the "100 Women of the Century."  Unfortunately many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how  Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country  but specific men who served and sacrificed during  Vietnam. The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot.

The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1978, the former commandant of the USAF Survival  School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison-the "Hanoi Hilton."  Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned,  fed, and dressed in clean PJs, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American "Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd received.
He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged away.

During the subsequent beating, He fell forward upon  the camp commandant's feet, which sent that officer  berserk. In '78, the AF Col. still suffered from   double vision (which permanently ended his flying  days) from the Vietnamese Col.'s frenzied application  of a wooden baton.

From 1983-85, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4Es). He spent 6 years in the "Hilton"- the first three of which he was "missing in action".

His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His  group, too, got the cleaned/fed/clothed routine in  preparation for a peace delegation" visit. They,  however, had time and devised a plan to get  word to the world that they still survived.
Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his SSN on it, in the palm of his hand.

When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking  little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry  you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?"

Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper. She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once the  camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she Turned to the officer in charge ... and handed him the little pile of papers.

Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Col. Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know about her actions that day.

I was a civilian economic development advisor in  Vietnam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese  communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held for over  5 years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage in Cambodia, and one year in a black box" in Hanoi.

My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.)

We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."  When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political
officer if I would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda. I said yes, for I would like to tell her about the real treatment we POWs were receiving, which was far different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as humane and lenient." Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a large amount of steel placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane till my arms dipped. I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours after I was released.  I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She did not answer me

This does not exemplify someone who should be honored  as part of "100 Years of Great Women." Lest we forget... "100 years of great women" should never include a  traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots. There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them.

This is going on I guess.  Seems like only yesterday that we had stickers in the urinals with her face on them.
Makes me wonder if anyone cares.

Charles (Skip) Klingman Asst. Professor of
Music Southwestern Oklahoma State University
Weatherford, OK 73096 (580) 774-3219 FAX: (580) 774-3795

NOTE:  KLINGMAN DID NOT WRITE THE ABOVE LETTER

Subject: HONORING A TRAITOR]
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 13:01:51 -0400

Subject: HONORING A TRAITOR

            JANE FONDA  BACK AGAIN

This is for all the kids born in the 70's that do not remember this, and didn't have to bear the burden, that our fathers, mothers, and older brothers and sisters had to bear. Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the "100 Women of
the Century." Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country but specific men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam.

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1978, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison-the "Hanoi Hilton." Dragged from a stinking
cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJs, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American "Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged away.
 
During the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp Commandant's feet, which sent that officer berserk.
In '78, the AF Col. still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying days) from the Vietnamese Col.'s frenzied application of a wooden baton. From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4Es). He spent 6 -years in the "Hilton"- the first three of which he was "missing in action". His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned/fed/clothed routine in preparation for a "peace delegation" visit.

They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they still survived. Each man secreted a
tiny piece of paper, with his SSN on it, in the palm of  his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman,
she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?" Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper.

She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him the little pile of papers. Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Col. Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know about, her actions that day.

I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in
South Vietnam in 1968, and held for over 5 years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage in
Cambodia, and one year in a "black box" in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.) We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."

When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp Communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda. I said yes, for I would like to   tell her about the real treatment we POWs received different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as "humane and lenient." Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a large Amount of steel placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane till my arms dipped.

I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple  of hours after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She did not answer me.

This does not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of "100 Years of Great Women." Lest we forget..."100
years of great women" should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many Patriots. There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them.

Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can. It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that we will never forget.

Subject: Re: Fw: Check out "Hanoi Jane"
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 11:26:20 -0500
From: Ken Cordier

Cliff, et al,

This  internet "urban lore" pops up every 4-6 months, although this time it is embellished with some sound and snappy graphics not seen before. Nevertheless, the content is just as absurd and untrue as in former versions. Having said that, and make no mistake - Hanoi Jane is held in contempt by nearly every former Vietnam POW. The exception would be the two turncoats who actually did meet with her in the summer of '72. They too are held in contempt by the other POWs. They were given favors and very special treatment in return for their "cooperation" (read: violation of every article in the Code of Conduct), and her report on how we were being treated reflected only her observation of these two "special" prisoners. This didn't stop her from producing a 20 minute audio tape addressed to "American Detainees", in which we had to listen to her berate us and tell us we should be ASHAMED for the CRIMES we had committed against the gentle and peace-loving Vietnamese people. At the end of the diatribe she entertained us with some of her anti-war songs laced with foul language and obscenities. For this she has never apologized.

As to the guys who were so savagely beaten: None of what is reported in this article ever happened at the time. Jerry Driscoll was shot down in April 1966, flying an F-105, not F-4E.  In the summer of '72, Jerry Driscoll was in a camp with me located near the Chinese boarder. After he retired from the Air Force he flew for American Airlines, and although you may think some of the airline pilots have double vision after a hard landing, I can assure you Jerry has corrected to 20/20
vision. Larry Carrigan did not meet Jane Fonda 1972, and neither he nor the 3 others were beaten, and certainly not to death. We know of no POWs who were beaten to death after Capt Ed Atterbury was in May, 1969.

Finally, the supposed signator of this article, Charles Klingman, has a voice message on the the phone number at the bottom of the article in which he denies authorship and declares the events reported to be untrue. Unfortunately, he forwarded this article a couple of years ago and did not make sure that the originator line was retransmitted, thus his name has been attached to it as it has migrated around the net.

We has more than sufficient reasons to despise Jane Fonda's traitorous activities. This is not one of them.

Yours in Freedom,

Ken Cordier

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