Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 1:56
PM
Subject: Never Forget
NEVER FORGET!!
Times change...Memories remain!
Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the "100
Women of the Century." Unfortunately many have
forgotten and still countless others have never known
how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country but
specific men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam. The first
part of this is from an F-4E pilot.
The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a
River Rat. In 1978, the former commandant of the USAF Survival
School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison-the "Hanoi Hilton."
Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and
dressed in clean PJs, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American
"Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane treatment"
he'd received.
He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged away.
During the subsequent beating, He fell forward upon the camp
commandant's feet, which sent that officer berserk. In '78, the AF
Col. still suffered from double vision (which permanently
ended his flying days) from the Vietnamese Col.'s frenzied
application of a wooden baton.
From 1983-85, Col. Larry Carrigan was
in the 47FW/DO (F-4Es). He spent 6 years in the "Hilton"- the
first three of which he was "missing in action".
His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too,
got the cleaned/fed/clothed routine in preparation for a peace
delegation" visit. They, however, had time and devised a plan
to get word to the world that they still survived.
Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his SSN on it, in the palm
of his hand.
When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line,
shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets
like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and
"Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent
captors?"
Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of
paper. She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line
and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of
the POWs, she Turned to the officer in charge ... and handed him the
little pile of papers.
Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Col. Carrigan was almost
number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know about her
actions that day.
I was a civilian economic development
advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by the North
Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held for
over 5 years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year
in a cage in Cambodia, and one year in a black box" in Hanoi.
My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female
missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam,
whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At one time, I
was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.)
We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals." When Jane Fonda
was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political
officer if I would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda. I said yes, for I
would like to tell her about the real treatment we POWs were receiving,
which was far different from the treatment purported by the North
Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as humane and lenient."
Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with
outstretched arms with a large amount of steel placed on my hands, and
beaten with a bamboo cane till my arms dipped. I had the opportunity to
meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours after I was released. I
asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She did not answer
me
This does not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of
"100 Years of Great Women." Lest we forget... "100 years
of great women" should never include a traitor whose hands
are covered with the blood of so many patriots. There are few things I
have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in
blatant treason, is one of them.
This is going on I guess. Seems like only yesterday that we had
stickers in the urinals with her face on them.
Makes me wonder if anyone cares.
Charles (Skip) Klingman Asst. Professor of
Music Southwestern Oklahoma State University
Weatherford, OK 73096 (580) 774-3219 FAX: (580) 774-3795
NOTE: KLINGMAN DID NOT WRITE THE
ABOVE LETTER |
Subject: HONORING A TRAITOR]
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 13:01:51 -0400
Subject: HONORING A TRAITOR
JANE FONDA BACK AGAIN
This is for all the kids born in the 70's that do not remember this, and
didn't have to bear the burden, that our fathers, mothers, and older
brothers and sisters had to bear. Jane Fonda is being honored as one of
the "100 Women of
the Century." Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still
countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the
idea of our country but specific men who served and sacrificed during
Vietnam.
The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry
Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1978, the former Commandant of the USAF
Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison-the "Hanoi Hilton."
Dragged from a stinking
cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJs, he was
ordered to describe for a visiting American "Peace Activist"
the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd received. He spat at
Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged away.
During the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp
Commandant's feet, which sent that officer berserk.
In '78, the AF Col. still suffered from double vision (which permanently
ended his flying days) from the Vietnamese Col.'s frenzied application
of a wooden baton. From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO
(F-4Es). He spent 6 -years in the "Hilton"- the first three of
which he was "missing in action". His wife lived on faith that
he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned/fed/clothed routine
in preparation for a "peace delegation" visit.
They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that
they still survived. Each man secreted a
tiny piece of paper, with his SSN on it, in the palm of his hand.
When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman,
she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little
encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed
babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from
your benevolent captors?" Believing this HAD to be an act, they
each palmed her their sliver of paper.
She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and
once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs,
she turned to the officer in charge and handed him the little pile of
papers. Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Col. Carrigan was
almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know
about, her actions that day.
I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was
captured by the North Vietnamese communists in
South Vietnam in 1968, and held for over 5 years. I spent 27 months in
solitary confinement, one year in a cage in
Cambodia, and one year in a "black box" in Hanoi. My North
Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female
missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam,
whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At one time, I
was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.) We
were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."
When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp Communist
political officer if I would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda. I said
yes, for I would like to tell her about the real treatment
we POWs received different from the treatment purported by the North
Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as "humane and
lenient." Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on
my knees with outstretched arms with a large Amount of steel placed on
my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane till my arms dipped.
I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of
hours after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to
debate me on TV. She did not answer me.
This does not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of
"100 Years of Great Women." Lest we forget..."100
years of great women" should never include a traitor whose hands
are covered with the blood of so many Patriots. There are few things I
have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in
blatant treason, is one of them.
Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can.
It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that we will never forget. |
Subject: Re: Fw: Check out "Hanoi Jane"
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 11:26:20 -0500
From: Ken Cordier
Cliff, et al,
This internet "urban lore" pops up every 4-6 months,
although this time it is embellished with some sound and snappy graphics
not seen before. Nevertheless, the content is just as absurd and untrue
as in former versions. Having said that, and make no mistake - Hanoi
Jane is held in contempt by nearly every former Vietnam POW. The
exception would be the
two turncoats who actually did meet with her in the summer of '72. They
too are held in contempt by the other POWs. They were given favors and
very special treatment in return for their "cooperation"
(read: violation of every article in the Code of Conduct), and her
report on how we were being treated reflected only her observation of
these two "special" prisoners. This didn't stop her from
producing a 20 minute audio tape addressed to "American
Detainees", in which we had to listen to her berate us and tell us
we should be ASHAMED for the CRIMES we had committed against the gentle
and peace-loving Vietnamese people. At the end of the diatribe she
entertained us with some of her anti-war songs
laced with foul language and obscenities. For this she has never
apologized.
As to the guys who were so savagely beaten: None of what is reported
in this article ever happened at the time. Jerry Driscoll was shot down
in April 1966, flying an F-105, not F-4E. In the summer of '72,
Jerry Driscoll was in a camp with me located near the Chinese boarder.
After he retired from the Air Force he flew for American Airlines, and
although you may think some of the airline pilots have double vision
after a hard landing, I can assure you Jerry has corrected to 20/20
vision. Larry Carrigan did not meet Jane Fonda 1972, and neither he nor
the 3 others were beaten, and certainly not to death. We know of no POWs
who were beaten to death after Capt Ed Atterbury was in May, 1969.
Finally, the supposed signator of this article, Charles Klingman, has
a voice message on the the phone number at the bottom of the article in
which he denies authorship and declares the events reported to be
untrue. Unfortunately, he forwarded this article a couple of years ago
and did not make sure that the originator line was retransmitted, thus
his name has been attached to it as it has migrated around the net.
We has more than sufficient reasons to despise Jane Fonda's
traitorous activities. This is not one of them.
Yours in Freedom,
Ken Cordier |