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Colonel Nguyen Minh Y [Nguyeeux Minh Y], PAVN. DPOB: 1940, NVN.
- Interview, 3 June 1992, 0900-1130 and 1600-1830 hours Le Thach
  Government Guest House, Hanoi.
- Interview, 10 June 1992, 1500-1700 hours, Le Thach Government Guest
- Married, two sons.
- 1976-79 Studied Military Politics at Senior Military Institute.
- Russian, Laotian, English, Vietnamese.
- Father practitioner of traditional medicine. Aspired to be a doctor
  or teacher. Entered college at 20 YOA (1960).
Lieutenant Colonel Pham Teo [Phamj Teof], PAVN. DPOB: Bac Ninh
(Ha Bac), 1945.
31 May 1992. Walking tour of the area around 17, 21, 23, and 25 Ly
Nam De Street, and 5 Duong Thanh Street. Dr.[xxxx][xxxx],
[xxxx].[xxxx], CWO [xxxx][xxxx]. Posed for photos at entrances to
17, 23, and 25 Ly Nam De and the rear of 17 Ly Nam De. Posed for
photos with water tower at rear of 23 Ly Nam De Street visible in
background. Also took photos of 5 Duong Thanh from beer garden
across the street. Spoke with local merchants and neighborhood
residents at the Le Van Linh Street entrance to 21 Ly Nam De Street.
Took one photo through an opening in the gate looking into the
interior of 21 Ly Nam De Street. A group of residents and merchants
pointed in the direction of the rear of 17 Ly Nam De Street (Note:
the former camp U.S. POWs nicknamed "The Citadel") and asked [xxxx]
why he took photos of Dr. against that background. Mr. [xxxx]
replied simply that we have friends who used to live in that area.
The locals laughed knowingly. One man used his hands and voice to
mimic an aircraft going down and in unison they exclaimed that our
friends undoubtedly were U.S. pilots. They laughed at the suggestion
that any American might have lived or been held prisoner in this
area after the POWs were released in 1973.

2 June 1992. Interview Major (Ret) Pham Van Hoan, Le Thach
Government Guest House.

3 June 1992. First interview of Colonel Nguyen Minh Y. 0900-1130 and
16001830. Le Thach Guest House. ((Earlier session on 17 April 1992.
Final session on 10 June 1992.))

4 June 1992. Interview of LTC Pham Teo. 0900-1330. Le Thach
Government Guest House.

5 June 1992. 17 Ly Nam De Street. Director PAVN SrCol Pham Hoa
[Phamj Hoa]. Deputy Director PAVN LTC Dang Xuan Hai [Dawngj Xuaan
Hair]. Assistant to Director PAVN LTC Nguyen Huu Vuong [Nguyeenx
Huwu Vuowngf. SrCol Tran Van Bien, LTC Nguyen Ngoc Bich, MOI Major
Pham Dung.

6 June 1992. 5 Duong Thanh Street. Received by manager of the now
collective housing unit. -- families. Toured rooms on ground and
second floor. Third floor unused. Interviewed -- resident(s) who
lived here during period in question. Accompanied by LTC Pham Teo,
Mr. Pham Tuan (MOI), Dr. Angelo Collura, CWO Thomas McKay, Cpl
William Sandusky.

7 June 1992. 91 Duong Tau Bay B.52 (Truong Chinh).[xxxx] last
residence in Hanoi. Local residents had no knowledge of Garwood or
other U.S. in area. Occasion Russian seen in the area.

9 June 1992. Army Museum. Dr. Angelo Collura, R. Destatte, Cpl
William Sandusky. Note: While taking photos in central courtyard
near outdoor display of MIG flying triumphantly over pile of
wreckage of U.S. aircraft, I heard tapping sound on a window behind
me. I turned and saw T.S. standing inside an office looking out
through a window and tapping on the window to gain my attention.
When we made eye contact, he smiled, waved, and turned back into the

10 June 1992. Second interview of Colonel Y. 1500-1630.

11 June 1992. Helicopter flyover of sites in Hoang Lien Son Province
and points west of Hanoi.

12 [13] June 1992. Visit 23 and 25 Ly Nam De Street.

- 25 Ly Nam De Street. Administrative Offices of the Military
Supreme Court, at this address from mid-1950s to present. Assistant
Military Supreme Court Judge SrCol Vu Dinh Thap [Vux DDinhf Thaps],
1970 to present. Cadre Assistant [possibly political officer] LTC
Trinh Duy Than [Trinhj Dzuy Than;, September 1970 to present.
Military Court Cadre Major Nguyen Kim Tien [Nguyeenx Kim Tieens].
SrCol Tran Van Bien, MOI Officer Pham Tuan, Dr.[xxxx][xxxx],
[xxxx][xxxx], Cpl [xxxx] [xxxx]. No POWs. Defendents never visit
this address--administrative offices only. Clear views of interior
of neighboring military family quarters compound at [27] Ly Nam De
Street. Hosts confirm members of the military court and families
live at this address. Also, clear views of the line of sight from
the second floor northeast corner balcony of the rear building in
the compound--i.e., the location from which Dao Viet Cuong claimed
to have peered into a large prison housing U.S. POWs.

- 23 Ly Nam De Street. Administrative Offices of the People's Army
of Vietnam Publishing House, at this address 1957 to present. Senior
Colonel Huy Nhuong [Huy Nhaowngj], staff member 1976 to present.
Colonel Pham Gia Duc [Phamj Gia DDuwcs], staff member. LTC Dang Van
Lam [DDawngj yawn Laam], staff member March 1973 to present. Staff
members LTC Pham Quang Dinh [Phamj Quang DDinhj] and LTC Dao Sanh
[DDao Sanh]. SrCol Tran Van Bien, MOI Officer Pham Tuan,  [xxxx].
[xxxx][xxxx], [xxxx]Cpl [xxxx][xxxx]. Meeting in the conference room
on upper floor of building in which [xxxx] claimed to have seen a
POW under detention as [xxxx] came to head of stairs enroute to
pingpong/recreation room. The layout does not match [xxxx]
description, as I recall the description. There is no central
hallway, only the open air corridor/balcony along the east end and
face of the buildings. The large French windows on all outside walls
of each room would make it unlikely that any U.S. POWs ever detained
here. Confirmed that the building to the south of the water tower
and adjacent to the elevated railroad track was used as a dining
hall until recently. Members of the staff insisted that the dining
hall was open to all military personnel of all ranks and their
families, civilian employees of the military, and even the public at
large. In reent years the building was converted to use as a supply
storage building for the Army Publishing House. The small building
immediately south of the storage building is a two story duplex
family quarters for members of the staff who manage the storage
building. This storage building (former dining hall) formerly was
part of the t-shaped compound at 21 Ly Nam De Street. Access to this
compound was possible through a gate at 21 Ly Nam De Street, a gate
on Le Van Linh Street, and a passageway at the rear of 23 Ly Nam De
Street. The passageway connecting 23 and 21 Ly Nam De Street
recently was walled closed when a new building was constructed at
the rear of 23 Ly Nam De Street. Clear views into the interior of
the compound at 21 Ly Nam De Street. This is the compound in which
[xxxx] claimed to have eaten dinner shortly before he allegedly saw
a possible U.S. POW on the second floor of the main office building
of the Army Publishing House at 23 Ly Nam De.

14 June 1992. Visit the Gia Lam Heavy Vehicle Parts Warehouse and
Supply Depot. Director [Chur Nhieemj] PAVN Major Trinh Xuan Ham
[Trinhj Xuaan Hamf]; Representative of the General Directorate for
Rear Services, Colonel Dao Anh Nang [DDao Anh Nawng]. Cadre Duong
Van Luong [Zuowng yawn Luowng], responsible for locating parts from
inventory to fill requisitions, 1970 to present. Mrs. Nguyen Thi Noi
[Nguyeenx Thij Nooij], responsible for issuing parts directly to
customers, 1966 to present. Major (Mrs.) Nguyen Thi Hoa [Nguyeenx
Thij Hoa], Deputy Director and Officer in Charge of the Warehouse
Area, 1970 to present. LTC Nguyen Duc Bai ((Nguyeenx DDuwcs Baif)),
cadre representing the Director of the General
Directorate for Rear Services.

[xxxx].[xxxx][xxxx],Mr. [xxxx][xxxx], Corporal [xxxx][xxxx], SrCol
Tran Van Bien, LTC Pham Teo, and MOI officer Mr. Pham Tuan.

- SrCol Bien and Mr.[xxxx] explained the team's objective was to
determine the facts concerning [xxxx] claims to have received parts
from the warehouse and to have seen U.S. POWs on a work detail at
the warehouse. The team met with assembled staff at warehouse
conference room and visited the supply issue point. PAVN staff
clearly heavily influenced by long years of wartime security
measures. They noted during the war they used strict security
measures and deception to mislead U.S. agents and overhead imagery
experts about this facility. SrCol Bien persuaded the staff to relax
its initial hesitancy to provide detailed descriptions of the
facility's operations.

- The staff at Gia Lam allowed the team to photograph their
personnel, the administrative areas such as the conference room, and
the supply issue point; however, they prohibited the team from
photographing storage buildings or the area layout. They permitted
the team to examine a complete annual register of persons who
received parts at the warehouse. The team photographed the cover and
a representative page of the register. The team also examined and
photographed an old receipt for issued parts. The Gia Lam staff said
a Soviet enlisted specialist had signed the requisition as a
souvenier. The staff said this was the only time that a foreign
person was ever permitted to receipt for an item issued at the Gia
Lam facility.

- The staff explained the procedures for issuing parts. The facility
is a depot level warehouse and supply point for parts for military
heavy vehicles. It provided support only General Directorates and
Major Commands, such as the General Directorate for Rear Services,
the General Political Directorate, and military regions. The staff
said individual units are not authorized to receive parts directly
from the Gia Lam facility. Individual units submit their
requirements to their parent general directorate or major command.

- The team explained [xxxx] was a maintenance specialist assigned to
PAVN Group 776 from about 1975 to late-1978 and suggested that
during that time he might have received parts from the Gia Lam
facility. The staff insisted that was not possible for at least two
reasons. First, Group 776 was not authorized to draw parts directly
from the facility. They pointed out that since Group 776 was
subordinate to the General Political Directorate, that general
directorate would have requested and received all heavy vehicle
parts needed by Group 776. Second, with only one exception,
foreigners were not permitted to enter the facility and were never
permitted to directly receipt for supplies.

- The one exception was two Soviet enlisted men who accompanied
Vietnamese specialists who received parts for a group of three
Soviet maintenance battalions in about 1978. In about 1978 three
Soviet maintenace battalions were sent to Vietnam for about one year
to help PAVN restore its fleet of Soviet vehicles. Vietnam required
that the deputy commander of each battalion was a PAVN officer. All
parts requisitions for these battalions required the concurance of
the PAVN deputy commander and were sent to the General Directorate
for Rear Services for approval. The General Directorate for Rear
Services forwarded approved requisitions through its Quartermaster
Department to the Gia Lam facility.

- At Gia Lam, Major (Mrs.) Nguyen Thi Hoa, Deputy Director and
officer in Charge of the Warehouse Area, would approve and forward
newly received requisitions to Cadre Duong Van Luong. Cadre Luong
would locate and pull the parts from inventory and pass them to Mrs.
Nguyen Thi Noi at the central issue point. When this action was
completed the Gia Lam facility would notify the requester the items
were ready for pick up. When the requester arrived, Mrs. Noi would
issue the parts and insure the appriate receipts were signed. In the
case of the Soviet battalions, the PAVN permitted two Soviet
enlisted specialists to examine the parts prior to issue to insure
they were the requested items. However, the Soviet technicians
always were accompanied by one or more Vietnamese and only
Vietnamese specialists were permitted to sign receipts for issued

26 June 1992. Visit to Military Hospital 354, on Doc Ngu Street, Ba
Dinh District, Hanoi. Director, Doctor Colonel Nhan Lai. Dr. Lai is
a heart specialist. He is 44 years old ((Field comment: DOB about
1949). He entered PAVN in 1966-67 and has been Director of the 354th
Hospital since 1988. The following members of the hospital staff
participated in the interview. Dr. (Mrs.) Hoang Thu Ha ((Hoangf Thu
Haf)), who acted as secretary for the meeting. Dr. Ha had been on
the staff since 1981. Mr. Nguyen Quoc Su ((Nguyeenx Quoocs Suwr)),
medical affairs specialist, who had been on the staff since 1991.
Dr. Tran Manh Son ((Traanf Manhj Sown)), medical statistician, who
served on the 354th Hospital staff during 1973-78 and 1988-present.
Three unnamed persons who were introduced as finance and supply
specialists also participated in the meeting, but did not contribute
to the discussions. The late Senior Colonel Dang Quoc Tuyen ((DDangj
Quoocs Tuyeen)), served as Director of the hospital from 1973 until
1987--the period relevant to the inquiries about [xxxx]. The joint
US/SRV team consisted of Mr. [xxxx][xxxx][xxxx]. Senior Colonel Tran
Van Bien, and Mr. Pham Tuan (MOI).

- Military Hospital 354 provides medical treatment for PAVN enlisted
personnel and their dependents stationed in the Hanoi area. PAVN
officers receive treatment at Military Hospital 108.

- Military Hospital 354 is adjacent to the compound the U.S. Joint
Task Force-Full Accounting leased in May 1992 to house its
Detachment 2 personnel and offices. The Australian Embassy
previously leased the compound as temporary housing for its

- The assembled staff of Military Hospital 354, whose combined
experience at this hospital dates back to 1973, said that to the
best of their knowledge no U.S. POW ever received treatment at
Military Hospital 354. They said Military Hospital 108 treated U.S.
POWs and foreign military personnel. They said they believed Mr.
[xxxx] was the first American to visit Military Hospital 354 under
any circumstances.

- Mr. [xxxx] and Senior Colonel Bien described [xxxx] and summarized
his claims to have seen U.S. POWs after 1973. The members of the
hospital staff said they had never seen nor previously heard of
[xxxx] or any other Americans who might have stayed in Vietnam after
1973. They all believed that Vietnam had released all U.S. POWs in

- The hospital has only rudimentary administrative records and no
record that would document treatment of individual patients during
the 1970s, the period when [xxxx] was living in northern Vietnam.
The hospital has never had a computer or computer-based records. The
hospital has only hardcopy records, which are retained for no more
than 10 years.

- Mr. [xxxx] and Senior Colonel Bien summarized PAVN's uninlateral
efforts, begining in the early 1970s, to collect and preserve
remains of Americans, and asked the hospital staff to describe the
role their facility played in this effort. The assembled staff
members said they had not previously heard of any such effort. They
noted the facility originally was a French military cantonment area,
and was not designed as a medical facility. The hospital has never
had the means to process and store remains. About ten years ago
(about 1982) the hospital added a morgue to perform autopsies;
however, because it is not refrigerated, remains can not be stored
here. Additionally, the 354th Hospital compound also serves as a
housing area for the hospital staff and their families. The staff
members were certain Military Hospital 354 did not and could not
have played a role in the PAVN's efforts to collect and preserve
remains of Americans who died in Southeast Asia.

29 June 1992. Military Hospital 108, aka Tran Hung Dao Hospital,
located at No. 1 Tran Hung Dao Street, Hanoi, Vietnam. The joint
US/SRV team was received by Brigadier General Doctor (LNU) Au
((AAu)), the Deputy Director of the hospital. The Director of the
hospital invited two retired former members of the hospital staff to
join the meeting to fulfill the request of Mr. [xxxx] and Senior
Colonel Bien to provide coverage of the 1970s, the period when
[xxxx] lived in northern Vietnam. In addition to BG Au, the
following six persons participated in the meeting. Dr. Le Dinh Ly
((Lee DDinhf Lys)). Now retired, Dr. Ly is a native of Quang Tri
Province and a former Director of Hospital 108. He served on the
hospital staff from 1955 until 1980. Professor Dr. Nguyen Thuc Tung
((Nguyeenx Thuwcs Tungf)). Now retired, Dr. Tung was assigned to the
hosptial in 1965. During 1966-67 he was assigned to an
administrative medical position in headquarters Military Region 5,
in southern Vietnam. He then returned to Hospital 108 from 1967 to
1977, when he again was reassigned to southern Vietnam. A staff
member introduced only as Dr. (LNU) Thuan ((Thuaanj)).  Two men
introduced only as cadre, named Bui Hoang Tung ((Buff Hoangf Tungf))
and Nguyen Huy Cap ((Nguyeenx Huy Caaps)), but who did not
participate in the discussions. LTC Nguyen Duc Bai ((Nguyeenx DDuwcs
Baif)), cadre representing the Director of the General Directorate
for Rear Services. The joint US/SRV team consisted of Mr.
[xxxx][xxxx][xxxx], Senior Colonel Tran Van Bien, LTC Pham Teo, and
Mr. Pham Tuan (MOI).

- Hospital 108 is the PAVN's senior and most modern military medical
facility, staffed and equipped to treat cases that other military
medical facilities are not able to handle. Hospital 108 is to PAVN
as Walter Reed and Bethesda are to the U.S. Army and U.S. Navy,

- The Deputy Director, Dr. Ly, and Dr. Tung confirmed that during
the war Hospital 108 had sole responsibility for hospital care of
U.S. POWs held in northern Vietnam. While acknowledging their
equipment, medicines, and training were not equivalent to U.S.
norms, Doctors Ly and Tung spoke with genuine emotion about their
determination to give U.S. POWs the very best care possible--equal
to and, in some instances, exceeding the care they were able to give
their own soldiers. Various members and former members of the staff
recounted several incidents in which U.S. POWs were treated at
Hospital 108 during the war. Dr. Ly said he had a vivid recollection
of an incident in which a wounded U.S. POW was admitted at the
moment that a U.S. aircraft dropped a bomb on the pavement in front
of the hospital. Dr. Ly noted that although the bomb wounded a
Doctor named Thuy, Dr. Ly and his staff gave the U.S. POW the best
possible care. Dr. Ly, Dr. Tung, and another member of the staff
recalled one U.S. POW who was admitted with a severly wounded leg.
Initially, Dr. Ly thought he would have to amputate the leg to save
the man. However, moved by the POW's passionate pleas to not
amputate, Dr. Ly tried to save the leg. Dr. Ly succeeded and
recalled that the POW was very thankful.

- Records. Doctors Ly and Tung and other members of the staff said
they never knew the names or biographic information about the U.S.
POWs who were brought in for treatment. They noted PAVN's Enemy
Proselyting Department (CDV--Cuc Dich Van) had primary
responsibility for U.S. POWs. They said the CDV kept information
about U.S. POWs tightly compartmented and discouraged inquiries from
outsiders about the POWs. Normally, for Vietnamese patients, the
hospital would create and keep a historical record of the treatment
given an individual patient; however, Doctors Ly and Tung and others
recalled that the CDV would not permit the hospital to retain
records on U.S. POWs. The CDV required the hospital to place a U.S.
POW patient in a private room. Dr. Ly, a former Director of the
hospital, said this was a precaution to protect the U.S. POW patient
from angry Vietnamese families visiting hospitalized relatives who
might try to harm the POW. Doctors Ly and Tung said the CDV never
informed the hospital of a U.S. POW's identity; and, given the
"loose lips sink ships. mindset of the war years, they said it would
not have occurred to members of the hospital staff to become too
curious. When the hospital discharged a U.S. POW, the CDV took
custody of all hospital records concerning the POW's treatment and
returned the POW to an appropriate POW camp

- Doctors Ly and Tung suggested the joint team should direct its
questions about records to the CDV, as "they would know about the

- Remains recovery. Mr. and Senior Colonel Bien described PAVN's
unilateral effort, begining in the early 1970s, to collect and
preserve remains of Americans who died during the war, and asked the
hospital staff to describe the role their facility played in this
effort. Mr. [xxxx] noted the normal sequence was for Provincial
military authorities to recover remains and bring them to Hanoi,
where they turned the remains over to PAVN's Group 875 and its
successor, the Department of Military Justice. Group 875 and the
Department of Military Justice, in turn, would turn the remains over
to PAVN's Forensic Office ((Phongf Phaps Y)) located at Hospital

- The Hospital 108 staff recalled that during the war the hospital
had handled the remains of about 10 or more Americans who had died,
either in the hospital or in the Hanoi area. The hospital issued
death certificates on each of those persons. The hospital turned
over the certificates of death and the remains to the Enemy
Proselyting Department for disposition. The hospital staff did not
know what the Enemy Proselyting Department did with the remains;
however, they agreed that it would be logical to bury them at Van
Dien Cemetery, a major public cemetery located in the southern
suburbs of Hanoi. ((Field Comment: In early 1973 officials from the
U.S. Delegation to the Four Party Joint Military Team visited
gravesites of 23 Americans at Van Dien Cemetery. Hanoi repatriated
those remains in 1974.))

- All members of Hospital 108's staff swiftly and forcefully
challenged the suggestion that Hospital 108 might have played a role
in PAVN's efforts to collect and preserve remains. They explained
that PAVN's Forensic Office is not now and never has been
subordinate to or an integral part of the Hospital 108 organization.
Dr. Ly noted that many years ago he supervised Dr. Thu, the PAVN
forensic specialist responsible for U.S. remains. At that time Dr.
Thu was a physician on the staff of Hospital 108. However, sometime
in the 1960s, Dr. Thu was withdrawn from the hospital staff and sent
to Germany for training in forensic sciences. When Dr. Thu returned,
he needed a work area that included a morgue and associated
facilities. Because PAVN did not have funds to build a separate
facility at that time, Hospital 108 was directed to "loan" space to
Dr. Thu.

- Hospital 108's staff explained that Dr. Thu's forensic activity is
directly subordinate to the Military Medical Department ((cue Quan
Y)) of PAVN's General Directorate for Rear Services. They emphasized
that Hospital 108 has no authority over Dr. Thu's activity and is
not informed about his activity. They noted that during the 1970s
Dr. Thu's activity was called the Forensic Office ((Phongf Phaps
Y)); however, it was upgraded later. Today, it is called the
Forensic Institute ((Vieenj Phaps Y)), and has moved to a separate
facility adjacent to Hospital 108.

- Hospital 108's staff suggested Senior Colonel Bien, LTC Teo,
and Dr. Thu, could supply a list of cadre who would know about
PAVN's unilateral efforts to collect and preserve U.S. remains
and the role Dr. Thu's Forensic Office/Institute played in that
effort. Dr. Ly also noted Hospital 108's staff could provide a
list of such cadre if requested in writing and approved through
appropriate channels.

- During the discussion of PAVN's efforts to collect and preserve
remains, LTC Teo, the VNOSMP's senior specialist on remains recovery
operations, helped clarify the roles of Group 875, the Department of
Military Justice, Dr. Thu's Forensic Office, and Hospital 108. LTC
Teo reaffirmed that provincial military authorities recovered
remains and brought them to Hanoi, where they turned them over to
Group 875 and, later, to the Department of Military Justice. He
reaffirmed he supervised this activity from early 1972, when Group
875 was established, until present. When Group 875 was disbanded in
about October-December 1974, he and the function were transferred to
the Department of Military Justice. He reaffirmed he received
remain" from the provincial authorities and turned them over to Dr.
Thu at the PAVN Forensic Office to confirm the identity of the
skeleton. He agreed that Dr. Thu and the Forensic Office were
separate from Hospital 108 and that the hospital staff did not
participate in or have knowledge of PAVN's efforts to collect and
preserve U.S. remains. Under questioning by Mr. , LTC Teo
acknowledged many remains he turned over to Dr. Thu during the 1970s
stayed in storage for years. He also said it was unlikely Dr. Thu
could have stored the remains in the small space he borrowed from
Hospital 108. He also acknowledged he had no idea where Dr. Thu sent
the remains for storage.

- [xxxx][xxxx][xxxx]. Mr. [xxxxx] and Senior Colonel Bien described
[xxxx] summarized his claims to have seen U.S. POWs after 1973,
including his claim to have seen one or more U.S. POW while
hospitalized at Hospital 108. Without exception, the hospital staff
insisted Hanoi released all U.S. POWs in 1973. None of the hospital
staff recognized the name [xxxx] With one exception, the hospital
staff said they had not previously heard about any American who
might have voluntarily remained in Vietnam after U.S. POWs were
released in 1973.

- Dr. Ly, the former Director of Hospital 108, recalled one former
American serviceman who reportedly had crossed over to PAVN and
voluntarily remained in Vietnam was admitted to Hospital 108 for a
period of 10 or more days in about 1978, after Dr. Tung left the
hospital and returned to southern Vietnam. Dr. Ly said he knew the
American only by his adopted Vietnamese name "[xxx]" "[xxxx]", often
called "[xxxx]" ((i.e., Brother [xxxx])). Dr. Ly did not recall
precisely why "[xxxx]" was hospitalized; however, he believed it
might have been for treatment of malaria or a kidney infection. Dr.
Ly recalled "[xxxx]" was assigned to the Enemy Proselyting
Department. He noted "[xxxx]" was not under guard and was free to
come and go at will. Dr. Ly did not know what happened to " after he
was discharged from the hospital.

- Dr. Ly described "[xxxx]" as a handsome man who appeared to be in
his late twenties ((in 1978)) and who spoke Vietnamese fluently.
With obvious amusement, Dr. Ly characterized "[xxxx]" as an
untruthful, devious, cunning, rogue, who was very quick to make up
stories. Dr. Ly speculated, based on "[xxxx]" conduct at Hospital
108, that " " made up stories to gain attention and sympathy or
affection from others, particularly women. He noted "[xxxx]" proved
to be extraordinarily quick and successful at seducing women while
at Hospital 108. In view of "[xxxx]" conduct while at Hospital 108,
and if "[xxxx]" and [xxxx] are the same person, Dr. Ly said he would
not be surprised that "[xxxx]" made up false stories about U.S. POWs
after he returned home. Dr. Ly insisted, however, that Hanoi
released all U.S. POWs in 1973 and that "[xxxx]" or any person who
claims to have seen U.S. POWs in Hanoi after 1973 is telling a false