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NORMAN KUTZ, Fayetteville, NC  

APOLOGY UNDER FIRE

The Military Records

The TALE

 

Subject:  RE: Your a SCUMBAG!
Date:  Wed, 2 May 2001 18:08:14 -0400
From:  "Norman Kutz" <nkutz@nc.rr.com>

To:  "Chuck Schantag" <admin@pownetwork.org>

Mr. Schantag,

I would like to offer a reply to your comments and the information that has been posted on the internet regarding my "military service".

Short story - have I lied? The answer is yes. My military service is a matter of public record and is only that which is represented in that record.

You offered me one last chance to admit to my lies. That had already been done some time ago but I have repeated it for you today.

The situation we find ourselves in at this time, however, is the result of a carefully prepared personal vendetta, by people known to me, for purely personal reasons. I just found this out today. Yesterday, when shown the information that is posted on the website, even I was shocked. There are some real whoppers that even I have never heard before. Please keep a weathered eye at what is perceived as fact simply because it is on the internet.

That aside, there is no excuse for lying about anything. I would like to offer my apologies and express my sincere remorse to all of the men and women who have served, willingly put themselves in harm's way and shed blood
for our country. I would also like to apologize to friends whose trust I have violated.

Further, I have never, to the very best of my recollection, used any of this to gain financial, employment or any other type of advantage. It has always been in the forum of guys exchanging BS stories. It started out as bar
stories and got out of hand, to say the least. That of course is still very wrong.
 
I am not fluent in the use of the internet so I would appreciate if you could post this in the appropriate places so that those who I have offended, insulted or disappointed may have access to it. I would also appreciate if
you could forward this to Captain Bailey so that he can take whatever action he deems fit.

As to the actions against me that you refer to taking. I understand your anger and zeal in this sort of situation. I hope this apology will suffice but you do whatever you feel must be done.

Norman Kutz


Nkutz@nc.rr.com
910 826-9517

According to his military record obtained via the Freedom of Information Act, he has merely 9 months of active service, his rank was Seaman, and his education does NOT include even a high school diploma.

Subject: NormKutz apologizes
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001


I've known Norm since I got here to NC in 1996.  The accusations on the site prior to the apology are just a drop in the bucket and I find it humorous that he was "shocked" by these "whoppers!!" I don't  know where you live but a Saturday night visit to the bar at the "Aviators Grill and Pub" at PK Airpark, Raeford, NC would be worth the trip!!  We Skydivers at Raeford that know Norm know him very well!  A typical jump story would start out with the exclamation, "No Shit, there I was, thought I was gonna die!!"  The "No Shit" stories are one thing, but fraud is another!  I really like the way that, although he apologizes, he does a great a great job of "backpeddling" and attempts to minimize his own involvement in his own lies!!  I personally heard everyone of those stories and others come out of his mouth!  His great defense was that because of all his "covert" work for our government his "identity" was "modified" to protect him!!  He makes me want to laugh, "HA!"

Yes, I know Norm, only too well!!  I met him at the Raeford DZ when I got here to NC from California in 1996.  I hung out at the DZ with him and  worked with him at ... He could sure tell a story, (Lie!!)  When we would question the validity of his statements, he always had a great come back.  NOT ANY MORE, MAN!!!!!!!

Thanks for your efforts in helping expose our boy Normie!!

Subject: Re: [Fwd: NormKutz apologizes]
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001

Please don't worry about anyone losing their job over Normie, I already quit mine after 13 1/2 years.... 

Yes, he is trying to play the senario about the "CIA Coverup of his real (fake) identity!!!  At this point, he will do anything to try to keep his "job!!"  He has the CEO and QC & Mfg. Director snowed!!! (know what I mean?)  I just left the Raeford DZ a little while ago after a nice day of sky diving and Normie's name came up in a few conversations (apres' jumping); and, to say the least, it didn't look too good for Normie!!   Yes, Normie needs to go back on the "List!!" This afternoon, I
met xxx in the parking lot at xxx and was pleasantly surprised!! ...  is a good friend.  He came out explicitly to gleen information on Normie! I introduced him to xxx .  We talked for  a while and ... it seems that his "apology" is just another ploy to maintain his "status quo!!!"  He (Normie) is still flying high and thinks the program is shut down. "Not until he is shot down in flames or goes to the bottom of Davey Jones' Locker will I rest!!!"  This is not a "vendetta," no, it is Justice!!!  I'm no hero, never claimed to be; but, I have more Navy Rate and education than Normie ever did!!  Normie may as well have pissed on every dead soldier, sailor, marine or airman's grave that bears the words, "He Died While Searving His Country!!"  Do I have to say much more?

PS Please feel free to call  ...

Subject: Normie
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001

Hi

Just thought I'd add a bit more 140 octane to the fire.  Normie's story about he and his sexy girl friend in the "foreign"
country when the "natives got restless" was really Iran during the fall of the Shah.  His girlfriend was a really cute, petite French Reporter for API (Associated Press Intl.) or the like!! ....that's the clarification as I ... and a host of others heard it.

Normie claims that he never used any of this "persona" for personal or financial gain??!!  Then, how did he manage to parlay all his BS to acquire the middle management status of "Manufacturing Coordinator and Rigging Dept. Supervisor ?????????  I "invited" him from the dropzone to come help us out at xxx back in1997!!!  I WAS THE LEAD RIGGER HAVING WORKED THERE SINCE 27JUL87!!!!!!!!!!!  Normie did good and when we were peers, all was well; however, when he bullshitted our supervisor into this "new, improved position!!" all hell broke loose!!  Normie's true character came out!; AND, it was all backed up with his bull shit!!  Norm never graduated High School and the company position he aspired to
"required" "Higher Education!!"   (I have a Navy friend who went to Stanford, maybe I can fake his Degree??)  Any way, perhaps if you would be interested in more info.,  why not give me a call some time.  I don't work for  ...anymore so I'm available to "Talk!!"  Normie was a major, instrumental part of my giving up $16.00/hr + time and a half overtime (Salaried Bennies), 401K , 3+ weeks per year vacation, working in a career I've been involved with for 30+ years and not to mention all my work mate friends!!  The day I left ...  on my way out of the controllers' office, who by the way was in shock as I threw down on the desk my badge, final time card and QC stamp and said, "I'm outta here!" that's all.  ...freaked and said," ...who did this??"  I said, "I can't give you only one name (Normie was primary, but xxx Mfg Dir and THE CEO all sucked up to him!!) however, 'Glory has it's Price, but Honor is Priceless and I'm taking mine back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and I walked out.  31 OCT 2000.

If you would like to talk, give me a call. ... anytime.

Subject: Norman Kutz
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001
Subject: Bogus apology

... Basically, people are waiting to see what sort of changes are going to take place there, and then MAYBE they will
take some sort of action if things don't get better. ... From what I hear, the idiot is STILL claiming he was a super-secret person, and that he had to send this "bogus" apology because his "other" identity would have been jeopardized... it's a 'win-win' situation for him, because this way he saves face ...  and he gets the SEALS off his back....

 Subject: Norman Kutz
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001
Subject: Bogus apology

He is an embarrassment to the company.  You can contact xxx at xxx@xxx.com.  You can contact me and I will
give you as much info as possible.  ... number is xxx and I would be glad to talk to you. By the way what was sent to him and what can be done to stop this dishonor?