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EAG/Pat Rogers CAGE Code expired in May of 2008 and was not renewed.
The CAGE code is issued by the CCR to
register and approve Fed Gov contractors of ANY sort. If you don't
have a current, active CAGE Code, you are not doing business with
them.
That means that he has had ZERO Fed
Government Contracts since at least that date.
Nevertheless, he still lists himself as a
Fed Gov contractor at his website: http://eagtactical.com/abouteag.asp
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BIOS AND CLAIMS FROM VARIOUS SOURCES Retired as Chief Warrant Officer USMC/ USMCR Patrick Rogers served 1963-1997 where is duties included Tank Crewman, Section Leader, Acting Platoon Sergeant/ Plt Commander, Reconnaissance Section Leader, Infantryman, Scout/Sniper Team Member/ Section Leader, Chief Scout, Operations Chief, NBC NCO, NBC Officer, Intelligence Officer. Notable: Combat tour RVN, 1965-1966, Intelligence Officer, Foreign Material Acquisition and Exploitation Unit, 1985-1990. FMAEU was tasked by Defense Intelligence Agency to acquire items of interest from foreign military, conduct sophisticated analysis, and disseminate results to DoD and other qualified organizations. Rogers worked extensively with sister services, other DoD and non DoD agencies involved in Intelligence and Counter Terrorism, and friendly foreign military and intelligence agencies. Additionally he designed and implemented a course for Operations in denied areas and was responsible for all Weapons and Tactics Training. During Desert Shield/ Desert Storm Rogers was tasked to develop and implement an upgraded Combat Pistol program. |
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Rogers' Résumé
Life Member...
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The records you were provided show no promotions beyond CW2, no service beyond 1993, and no indication he actually retired. .... although this is second hand info from guys at MCSOCOM Det 1, that in 2003 Pat Rogers was walking around their unit where he was "working" as a firearms instructor wearing a flight suit with Warrant officer rank and telling folks that he was the Det 1 Gunner. A title he had never earned. Marine Corps Gunners are Infantry Warrant Officers. That time period is also over ten years AFTER his Marine corps Reserve record ends. |
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Non-mil folks don't understand how the little lies undermine the man. His DD214 from VN doesn't mean a whole lot. His service record does. It gives a chronological order of what he did in the service. He is king of the innuendo, the most devious form of fraud. He makes several seemingly unrelated comments and allows you to put in the missing pieces. When questioned, he denies any wrong doing. Facts remain. He claims thousands of jumps. He claims dives. Never says they were military, but when put into context, we are expected to believe they were. His service record indicates attendance at the Basic Airborne Course (no certificates or orders). I say indicates because even this entry is suspicious as the supporting documents are missing. Oddly he has included certificates, orders and jump manifests for the Walter Mitty jump tours he took in the 1980s. Attendance at BAC does not qualify one to participate in Military Free Fall jump ops. There are no indications Pat attended any advanced parachuting courses nor served on jump status at any time while in the USMC. His resume claims "Acting Platoon Sergeant/ Plt Commander, Reconnaissance Section Leader, Infantryman, Scout/Sniper Team Member/ Section Leader, Chief Scout, Operations Chief, NBC NCO, NBC Officer, Intelligence Officer" The facts based on the record - He could have never been an "acting Plt Commander" as an an NCO, you have to be commissioned to command. Recon Section Leader - No evidence of assignment to a STA platoon or reconnaissance organization. Scout/Sniper - No evidence of assignment to a STA platoon nor completion of any military sniper courses. Chief Scout - ??? Intelligence Officer - No evidence of training or assignment as such. In fact, there is no record of him completing training to qualify him as an NBC Warrant Officer, his MOS and reason for serving in the Corps. |
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| E.A.G. is a Veteran owned, small business, incorporated in
1992 by Pat Rogers, a retired Chief Warrant Officer Of Marines and
retired NYPD Sergeant with a wide and varied background in the CT
Community. We are a Department of Defense Trading Partner, and are assigned Cage Code 1JBD5. We provide training to the Military, other USG agencies, as well as state and municipal organizations. We do a limited number of open enrollment courses per year to qualified civilians. E.A.G. requires that civilians attending these courses have a certificate of no criminal conduct from their local police agency. We make no apologies for this – we do not wish to be associated with those who would cause harm to our country and its people.
Pat Rogers teamed up with Donna Noland, YES. Your Executive Service, LLC, as his Virtual Administrative Assistant—meaning they're in different parts of the country, and the work is performed via the internet and fax. She has gained knowledge of the gun industry, handles the administration of courses, travel arrangements, and performs EAG's various office tasks. YES is a virtual business services company, and is bonded and insured. She brings with her many years of experience, with a background in secretarial/admin assistant/exec secretarial positions in the business and legal environments; all phases of human resources, line management in credit card industry; publisher/editor of national disabilities newspaper; executive director |
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| Pat Rogers USED to run the STRIDER Training
program - ITOG - Strider Knives/Urban conflict Resolution Class http://osdir.com/ml/culture.hobbies.guns.concealed/2004-11/msg00303.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20040209025846/www.striderknives.com/html/training.html About your instructors: Pat Rogers is a veteran operator and instructor, among a
few elite individuals who have served in three capacities of conflict.
One being a United States Marine, the second being an NYPD officer and
the third being an operator on a non-Department of Defense Government
Agency involved in counterterrorism and intelligence. Essentially, he
has worn all three uniforms, green, blue and black. He currently
instructs several US Military assets, Federal Agencies and private
contracts as well as being on staff at the Gunsite Academy. Pat can be
reached via email at: Pat Rogers is a veteran operator and instructor, among a few elite individuals who have served in three capacities of conflict... as a 30 veteran of the Marine Corps with whom he served in Southeast Asia in the mid-'60s, the second being a 21 year veteran of NYPD, and the third as an operator on a non-Department of Defense Government Agency involved in counterterrorism and intelligence. Essentially, he has worn all three uniforms, green, blue and black. He currently instructs several US Military assets, Federal Agencies and private contracts, and is proprietor of E.A.G. Tactical, a small arms and tactical consultancy which contracts primarily to the Department of Defense and the law enforcement community. A competitive High Power shooter (when he has time), Pat is also a Staff Columnist for SWAT and The Accurate Rifle (formerly Tactical Shooter) magazines and TGZ. |
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2009 note - Rogers is no longer listed as an instructor at Operation
Skills Group.
http://www.opskillsgroup.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=36 Patrick A. Rogers |
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http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/crimelaw/features/4259/ ... "Don't think. React. When you think, you get in trouble," yells a small, wiry man in ninja pants and wraparound Oakleys. "It's simple. See the motherfucker, shoot the motherfucker." The man is Pat Rogers, an internationally known combat instructor who looks -- white hair, military demeanor, and all -- like Senator John McCain's slightly demented brother. A former Marine and New York City cop, Rogers trained the elite units that guard Yasser Arafat
and Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak. But on this morning, he is at the Pine Barrens Shooting Range, a lifeless collection of targets and sand hills on a former Air Force base in Westhampton. His student is New York private detective Bill Stanton.... http://osdir.com/ml/culture.hobbies.guns.concealed/2004-11/msg00303.html ITOG Flyer - Strider Knives/Urban conflict Resoultion Classe s ...: msg#00303
Subject: FW: ITOG Flyer - Strider Knives - 2005
URBAN CONFLICT RESOLUTION
A must for those concerned with their ability to handle real-world threats
within ranges of less than 15 yards, this course provides the training
solution necessary to ensure your personal safety in the event of your
involvement in a life threatening situation. Open to both law enforcement
and responsible civilian alike, this outstanding program provides the
essential training elements of surviving close quarters fighting in an urban
environment. Scope of study includes handgun (CQB training), impact and
edged weapons training as well as ground survival techniques at extreme
close quarters
When: Due to popular demand, we will offer the course on two occasions in
2005
April 15-17, 2005 (course length - 3 days)
July 20-22, 2005 (course length - 3 days)
Where: Boone County Sheriff Department, 1905 Indianapolis Avenue, Lebanon,
Indiana
Cost: $500
Point of Contact at Host Agency: Captain Ken Campbell (765)483-3359 or
Kcampbell-uGskKFA5UxCzIz6gxCXYUw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To reserve space in for these class dates, send a deposit of $100 to:
Captain Ken Campbell
Boone County Sheriff Department
1905 Indianapolis Avenue
Lebanon, IN 46052
Make Deposits Payable to: ITOG
Capt. Campbell will send a confirmation and an info packet shortly after
receiving your deposit. Please email Capt. Campbell at
Kcampbell-uGskKFA5UxCzIz6gxCXYUw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx if you have further questions
and thank you for
your interest,
Duane Dwyer
CO-Owner
STRIDER KNIVES INC.
Law Enforcement will receive 24 hours of Indiana Law Enforcement Training
Board (Read: POST) In-Service hours.
Requirements: you will need a firearm, 800 rounds of factory ammunition,
comfortable clothing, hydration, eye and ear protection. For liability
purposes A Military ID or Law Enforcement credential,
for Non-LEO
EVIDENCE OF NO CRIMINAL HISTORY FROM A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY AND A
STATEMENT OF GOOD CHARACTER FROM A PUBLIC OFFICIAL OF THE APPLICANTS PLACE
OF RESIDENCE. A COPY OF YOUR CURRENT GUN PERMIT SHOULD ALSO BE INCLUDED.
(OUT OF STATE RESIDENTS NOTE THAT INDIANA IS A "RECIPROCAL STATE." THAT IS,
WE HONOR ALL CURRENT AND VALID UNITED STATES GUN PERMITS.)
WE REGRET THE INCONVENIENCE THAT OUR CREDENTIALING POLICY MAY CAUSE OUR
APPLICANTS, BUT WE FEEL SURE THAT THEY DO NOT WISH TO SHARE THEIR TRAINING
EXPERIENCE WITH PERSONS OF UNVERIFIABLE CHARACTER.
About your instructors:
Pat Rogers is a veteran operator and instructor, among a few elite
individuals who have served in three capacities of conflict. One being a
United States Marine, the second being an NYPD officer and the third being
an operator on a non-Department of Defense Government Agency involved in
counterterrorism and intelligence. Essentially, he has worn all three
uniforms, green, blue and black. He currently instructs several US Military
assets, Federal Agencies and private contracts as well as being on staff at
the Gunsite Academy.
Pat can be reached via email at: patrogers3-ntQ8I44N4zM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Steve Tarani is an internationally respected contact weapons and personal
safety expert. He is a full-time defensive tactics instructor and provides
high-profile operational development training for various agencies
worldwide. Tarani is the Director of Contact Defense LLC - Operational
Skills Development (CA), on staff at the U.S. D.O.E. Nonproliferation and
National Security Institute (Central Training Academy) Security Force
Training Dept. at Kirtland Air Force Base (NM) and also on staff at Gunsite
Academy (AZ). He can be reached at (949) 515 - 0905 or via
www.contactdefense.com <http://www.contactdefense.com/
> for scheduling or
directly by e-mail at stevetarani-ihVZJaRskl1bRRN4PJnoQQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:stevetarani-ihVZJaRskl1bRRN4PJnoQQ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> for more
information.
Contact Defense,LLC
Operational Skills Development
1539 Monrovia Ave, Suite #15
Newport Beach, CA 92663
Voice: (949) 515 - 0905
Fax: (949) 515 - 0254
Web:
www.contactdefense.com
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SWAT Mag'
February, 2007 issue, (issn# 1062-2365) Volume 26, Number 2
Published by: Group One Enterprises, Inc.
Article Title: "The Blast Belt"
P. 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75
From P. 75, Paragraph 3
"Like many of my age / peer group, I have a bad
back, with L3 / 4 / 5 and S1 / 2 bulged or ruptured (the result of 2,500
parachute jumps, mishaps involving a
variety of platforms and one psycho who ran me over with her decrepit
car). Wearing armor and a helmet is painful, but then sometimes just
standing still is tough."
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#2)
"Negative- i did not work at Wright Pat. I am a Marine, and was
with the Foreign Material Acquisition and
Exploitation Unit at Quantico.
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#3)
have 3 Rolex's- two Submariners and a 2 tone GMT- all gifts
going back to the first in 1968.
I have worn a Zodiac Sea Wolf and a Seiko Dive watch, whatever the nomenclature was, in the day. But i have worn the Sub or GMT about everyday of my life with few exceptions, CONUS and OCONUS, as a
cop, Marine and other. I've jumped
with it , blew bubbles ,
got in gunfights, a/c mishaps and everything in between.
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Title: Re: Massive Mexican weapons bust. Post by: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on December 26, 2008, 09:17:25 AM
The weapons were unreliable and could not hold a zero. They
switched to Rock River AR15s and couldn't be happier. Pat was
surprised that the RRAs ran flawlessly through his course of training;
the RRA not being the highest quality of AR.
For those not in the know, Pat Rogers is a former Force Recon Marine who's been there and done that. He attained the rank of Gunner which means he is the authority in his unit (Force Recon) for every weapon from unarmed combat to the 1911 to the Barrett .50. He wrote most of Force Recon's course of training with small arms. He also served in the NYPD and now runs his own pistol and assault rifle training courses (http://www.eagtactical.com/). Title: Re: Massive Mexican weapons bust. Post by: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on December 26, 2008, 09:47:29 AM
The weapons were unreliable and could not hold a zero. They
switched to Rock River AR15s and couldn't be happier. Pat was
surprised that the RRAs ran flawlessly through his course of
training; the RRA not being the highest quality of AR.
AWESOME! That is great. The funds go from the #$%@
EU to local guys. They send the 36s back or what?
For those not in the know, Pat Rogers is a former Force Recon Marine who's been there and done that. He attained the rank of Gunner which means he is the authority in his unit (Force Recon) for every weapon from unarmed combat to the 1911 to the Barrett .50. He wrote most of Force Recon's course of training with small arms. He also served in the NYPD and now runs his own pistol and assault rifle training courses (http://www.eagtactical.com/). Title: Re: Massive Mexican weapons bust. Post by: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on December 26, 2008, 09:54:28 AM
I believe so, MM. I'll find out for certain and let you
know. Pat also detailed his problems with HK quality and
customer service while at Fore Recon. Apparently Force Recon
sucks and HK hates them.
======================================================================= Please note that in the
USMC the term "Gunner" is used only for Infantry Warrant
Officers, MOS 0306, which is specifically called "Infantry Weapons
Officer". Infantry Weapons Officers wear the bursting Bomb insignia
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Here xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx claims Pat
Rogers was / is Force Recon Marine
Then Rogers chimes in AFTER the post on
11/16/01 and makes NO CORRECTION to the RECON statement below - but
corrects the spelling of his NAME!
Member
....... Pat Rogers, Gunsite instructor and Force Recon Marine, told a story on another board about his personal MEU(SOC) 1911, and it had 82,000 documented rounds through it. Also at a 5 week CQB school he taught, 21 Force Recon Marines put 15-20K rounds apiece through their MEU(SOC) 1911s, and they had 2 broken extractors(easy fix). I personally wouldn't expect a factory gun to do as well as these custom guns do. That doesn't mean the factory guns aren't nice, after all, how many of us are going to shoot as much as a Force Recon Marine? Very few of us. At the same course, 4 other Marines had M9s, and they went through seven M9 pistols, 6 lost to broken locking lugs, one with a broken safety. Beretta's (at least the one's in the military inventory) are not very durable apparently. I've learned a lot just reading Mr Rogers' posts, I can't imagine how much I'd learn taking a class from him. It's probably apparent that I find the idea of a pistol made like these IBA MEU(SOC) 1911s very appealing. It's supposed to be an improved version of the Marine issue piece, much like the Chandler Sniper Rifle is an improved issued M40 Sniper Rifle. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Pat Rogers Senior Member Join Date: 2001-07-31 Posts: 304 MEU(SOC) Pistol Hi Guys, Sorry for the delay, but i've been a tad busy. I believe that the MEU(SOC) is the absolutely best pistol for the Force Reconnaissance Marines for a lot of reasons. The biggest problem is the fact that it is built by 2112's and has a lot of handfitting. There are precious few of these (both guns and armorers) and when a gun goes down it is lost to the system for a long time. Ergo, the Marine Corps is wising up and bringing online a Product Improved MEU(SOC) Pistol, that will be basically similar, but with less hand fitting, and also increasing the number available. Unfortunately there will probably still not be enough to supply all with a training set and a go to war set. A few points. The RTE shop has been the Precision Weapons Shop (PWS) for several years now. The MEU(SOC) pistol has never had Hogue Grip panels or adjustable sights. There is no "D" in my name. A number of the Marines/Sailors have Kimbers to train with- off duty. They are required to use issue weapons while on Marine Corps time. I believe that the Kimber/ new Colt 1991A1 and SA Loaded are attractive alternatives to a hand fitted pistol. (I certainly don't mind spending money for quality, but i cringe at how much some guns cost, and how much fluff is included. Conversly, as my Father often said, "Buy cheap, buy twice" (He also told me on the occasion of my 40th birthday "Lower your standards and double your efforts"). I haven't seen the Chandler copies, but i understand the quality is superb. I have several Kimbers, and have found them to be reliable pistols. One has about 5K through it with no problems, though that is not enough to draw any serious conclusions. We had a SA feeb and TRP model, ran 3K through each, and had 3 malfunctions between them that were failures to feed (i think...) From observations at other places, they (the above mentioned 3 pistols) all look very good, but few civilians keep gunbooks so the estimated round count is at best an inflated guess. As for me fogetting more than yadayada... Well, i have to get up at 0400 inorder to catch (another) plane, and i forgot where i put my car keys. Sigh... __________________ S/F Pat sends www.eagtactical.com |
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In my opinion, he INFERS / HINTS / ALLUDES / POINTS / IMPLIES etc. by his context he was a RECON Marine etc...
I see no evidence that he ever attended any USMC certified
Marine SCUBA or Underwater MCI course even etc.
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.... Pat Rogers told another mutual friend of theirs that Duane has in
fact passed the Urban SS course BUT after he had left the Marines.
This is WHY Duane can't get VETTED and EXPLAINS as your FOIA
points out his REAL MOS and NO secondary MOS.
He confirmed that Pat Rogers has had Duane Dwyer "ASSIST"
him in teaching Sniping and IN FACT introduces Duane as a Marine
Sniper w/ Confirmed kills, Peace Officer etc...at his classes
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I do NOT believe that he was a black bagger or
spook, in any capacity.
I do NOT believe that he ever had a "blue
badge" or a Langley work address.
I have my reasons for this of course but suffice it
to say that his ignorance of certain intel community practices and
internal history is underscored by his personal assertions
contrary to the reality.
Marine? Yeah. Cop? Yeah.
That's it though.
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I just got done checking him out on the Gunsite website and he is NO LONGER listed as an instructor, although his friend Capt xxxxxxxxxxxx of the xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Office is listed there as an adjunct instructor. IF Capt. xxxxxxxxxx is an adjunct instructor there at Gunsite, then why isn’t he teaching his own people?
I
did notice one interesting presentation on his website. When he is
describing the prerequisites for his carbine operator course that it
says “I have the right
to refuse training…………” I
find this very unprofessionally worded, but a key look into the
psychological background of this individual. MARINES don’t use I
they use WE. This is another indicator that he is a one man show. I am
thinking that I would have phrased it as EAG reserves the right to
refuse training to anyone who…… but to use the word I, interesting. It
is interesting that he teaches primarily M4, AR and AK “operator”
courses. They are all pretty much standard with course content with
others I have attended or taught: standard and non standard response,
transition from rifle to pistol, discussions on equipment, ballistics
etc. His
threads on his after action reports seem a little thin. You would think
that he would have more response than one or two students in each class
responding. Apparently,
he has a small following like I said that are buying into what he is
selling. He takes some real “action” photos but no video, so we can’t
tell what he is actually doing with his classes. And the only “model”
used is himself. Of course if he is teaching some high speed operators,
they don’t want their faces seen that could be his out. To give this guy the benefit of the doubt, he may be a competent instructor in the disciplines he is teaching, he may also be making a living at it. ...He has no range facility of his own, and a virtual secretary and office himself. So, he is basically a freelancer trying to sell a hot product right now. I also did not see any teaching certifications listed in his bio from an accrediting agency, past or present that gives him the basis to teach what he is teaching. Attending a class doesn’t always mean you can teach it. |
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I read all with interest and noted that this guy not only jumped out
of MOS's often, but to extremes.
The Recon claims are obviously outrageous when he also notes he was a
"Chief Scout". Also serving as an Operations Chief (as
a Warrant Officer ???) .....never happened in MY Marine Corps.
Seems he's full of more shit than a Christmas Goose.
Also,....what is a "Exploitation Unit"......that's new to
me. Why didn't this clown claim he was a Battalion Commander
since he was on his orange crate spewing garbage?
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It appears he done some active duty in the
60's, then was a weekend warrior all the rest of the time. Alot of
that stuff, based on the dates provided show a 2 week window, which
led me to think, was done on his 2 week summer training at different
locations.
I also was seeing if he was a full
time NYPD cop, then, how would he have had time to do all the
schooling/ trainings/ deployments if not on the weekends or 2 weeks or
so in the summer. In this day and age, some of those courses may have
been done on line as alot of people do now a days.
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The resume looks very poorly done, and his claims are
super hero. Darn, is this really Clark Kent?
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He
went to airborne school. He rates to be called a parachutist. That is
the lowest classification in the USMC. It means he only attended the
school. The stuff from down south where it shows he jumped with a non US
unit means nothing other than he jumped with a non US unit. In fact I
see nothing in his records that shows he rates to wear gold wings. That
requires the Marine to fill a full time jump billet like in a Recon/ANGLICO
slot or slots in the supporting structure that require jumping either
static line of MFF. It also requires a special entry in the permanent records showing the Marine was
awarded the wings. His records show none
of this. I see nothing, either by training or assignment that shows he ever served with Scout Sniper unit. Same goes with the Recon stuff. He did the MCI Recon Marine but MCI's are correspondence courses that are open to any Marine to do in order to increase their knowledge fo the Corps and other skills. It does not give you any creds and does not give you an MOS or the ability to ever claim you are a Recon guy. He served in a tank unit in Nam and was discharged from 2d Tank Bn at Cp Lejuene. No personal decorations for this service. He later went into the reserves and appears to have been bounced around from job to job until he got on the range program. This is the normal range requalifiation that ever Marine does. He appears to have conducted the Combat Pistol Course once or twice for his unit and a few others. This is an old program that was more or less an adjunct to the normal pistol requal crse. It involved barricades, turning and stuff like that. I did it in 81 and was listed as a Combat Pistol Instructor for the rest of my career. Looks nice but not high speed. He was a NBC Warrant Officer. |
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He
wants to give everyone the impression that all of this happened when
he was on active duty in a combat situation which is simply not true.
From what I can tell, the things that I can verify all happened while
he was a reserve. This means that once a year he would have to
trot off for anywhere from two weeks to a month and he would go
through these scenarios. You have to remember now that not only
did they view him in the light that he was a Marine Reservist but he
was also on active duty with the NYPD. From what I can tell at
first glance, during these "reservist tours" of at most a
month he would get to play out or attend training in some of these
fields. It also appears that at the end of some of these events
he would also get accommodations and even promotions at times.
Another
thing is the manner in which he lists these things and how he wants to
present them to "run together". For instance, he talks
about-- "Notable: Combat tour RVN, 1965-1966, Intelligence
Officer, Foreign Material Acquisition and Exploitation Unit,
1985-1990". The way it is presented you would think wow
this guy was involved in intelligence in Vietnam when in reality
his MOS was 0311 from what I can tell during that period of time.
Now 0311 is an infantry rifleman which when you enlisted during
this period if you did not have some specialty guaranteed or score a
certain percentage on the preliminary tests then you were pretty much
guaranteed that you were going to be a grunt....
One
thing I failed to mention is that while Rogers might have gone through
some of the training for some of this stuff, it was while he was a
reservist and pretty much had the pick of the litter for what he
wanted to do. It was never in a combat situation is what I am
trying to say. One of the things that puzzle me is the
paratrooper training is somewhere down in Panama I think. The
certificates are even in Spanish and I have a hard time believing that
this stuff is even certified by the Corps. Especially since
Force Recon does their own training for jump school. Some of the
courses that you can take are possibly correspondence courses. I
took a few when I was in the Corps as well.
Off
hand, through all of his training certifications, I don't see anywhere
where he went through any scout sniper training. I have a hard
time believing they would send a reservist through that training.
One thing to note is that as a member of Law Enforcement, he can go
through one of the OEM manufacturers tactical training schools but he
would still not be qualified as a scout sniper for the Corps.
For that to happen, you have to be assigned that MOS and to my
knowledge, there is no way around it.
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Note that
"All jobs at MCIA require eligibility for
Top Secret security clearances.
MCIA employs civilians in the following functional areas:" Science and Technology – MCIA provides scientific and technical intelligence support to Marine Corps Acquisitions and Marine Corps Foreign Materiel Acquisition and Exploitation. This analysis covers a broad range from non-lethal weapons technology, and very shallow water mines to armor and anti-armor technologies, and Information Operations threats. Note requirement for Top Secret Clearance as well as the job being for CIVILIANS. |
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a while back i did a search on Pat
Rogers
and came up with this guy. http://www.forcerecon.org/ForceHistoryInfo.htm i sent him an e-mail. he said he was the same guy and sounded legit. This Pat Rogers is Force Recon (or so he says). i don't know for sure but he has some cool pics. the only thing i did know for sure was a guy named Pat Rogers was teaching the class, he was a marine and the outline on the class said SOTG. i don't even know what SOTG stands for. can one of you please tell me? |
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They do things so different in the Marine Corps Reserves, especially
back then and I know they were most likely giving him a pass or at
least cutting
him a lot of slack just because of his position in the NYPD and his
ability to BS. It is really funny when you look at the actually
dates he was
qualified for Recon and Parachuting. There is absolutely no way
he has done2500 jumps. And if he has the back trouble he claims
he has, they would
have given him a full medical disability discharge most likely.
Not to mention the fact that he would have trouble just getting out of
a chair and walking.
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After the Strider knife failed
miserably in a test against a knife that sells for 1/10th the cost.
He's claiming that Strider is selling "pallet loads" of NSN
(national stock number") tools to the military.
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Knife tests from Knifetests.com
Cold Steel ... http://www.knifetests.com/page28.html
Strider ... http://www.knifetests.com/page7.html
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