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If you are a student of Dr. Gyi's and have heard his outlandish claims of having been a POW in Korea, Vietnam, or elsewhere, please provide details as to the story as YOU have heard it. Your name will not be revealed. Feel free to send anonymous email if necessary. Just state when and where it was said, and in front of how many witnesses. |
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These are email, posted web notes, and information on our efforts to verify Dr. Gyi's military claims - ESPECIALLY the P.O.W. claims. |
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WWII -- December 7, 1941 - December 31, 1946 Korea -- June 25, 1950 - July 27, 1953 Vietnam 1964-1973 (or 59-75) Falklands - April - May 1982 |
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Fiction Based on fact: Another Timeline
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On October 14, the NETWORK received the F180 (request for military records) back from St. Louis. Having had Gyi's social security number, and noting ALL THREE names, the records center could not locate ANY military record and requested the EXACT name he served under to proceed further. [note: records ARE cross referenced by SS# - aka's and a correct social security number HAVE located the correct records in the past.] Therefore, we must assume, NO record will be found. |
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Permanent address 256 Creek St, Rangoon Religious Affiliation: Christian ME Date of Admission to Woodstock: March 9, 1950 Record of yearly average grades - and credits given toward graduation: 1947: Transferred from Methodist High School Rangoon Burmha 4 credits. 1948: Scripture, English, Geometry, Geography, Chemistry, Physics 3 3/4 credits 1949: English, Arithmetic, Britisi Empire History, Burmese History, Hygiene, Physics and Chemistry 4 1/2 credits 1950: [Class/grade] Scripture/ B, English/ C, Trigonometry/ D, Geometry/ C, Chemistry/ B, History, D, Music/ B, Oral Expression/ B Credits 2 3/4 1950 Number in Class - 30, Rank 30 1950 comments: quiet, polite, fewer depressed moods. English deficiency. 1951 - Number in Class - 33, Rank 24 1951 comments: musical, athletic, religious, comparative, much more stable this year, artistic. English and reading a handicap. |
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Babist Mission Press Calcutta
Winston Maung Maung Gyi wrote an article for the Methodist High School Magazine about him singing "April Showers" at the "All Burma Christian Youth" concert at 7P.M. October 1948. Gyi goes on to tell about filling in for someone who did not show to sing. He painted his face black with charcoal and made himself up to be Al Jolson the famous singer in the US. Gyi goes on to tell that he had two encores. From October 1948 he was invited to sing at churches, parties, weddings and was a part time entertainer on the Burma Broadcasting Service with friends who called theirselves the " The Warr Brothers" SENIORS Winston sang his way into our hearts in the spring of 1950. His friendly disposition and cute smile have won him many friends. Before he came to Woodstock he made quite a hit singing over the radio in Burma. He claims that his future life depends on his voice and if that is the case we feel he has a bright future. Winston prefers boxing and track to any other sports. He is fast on his feet and gives the HOSTEL boys a workout every night. He dislikes talkitive girls, neverless is often seen smiling at the girls or singing at their request. Winston likes to draw, mostly portraits and results of his work show his artistic ability. He has a good since of humor and occasionally his corn makes some since. Gyi graduated in 1951 from the WOODSTOCK FINISHING SCHOOL IN MUSSORIE U.P. INDIA. The name of the yearbook is the Wispering Pine, his graduation name is Winston Maung Maung Gyi. The senior book is dedicated to his teachers: Mr.
& Mrs. Bob and Ellen Some of the people who he graduated with. Alden Serle Borrows Great bird hunter, Alden was from the Punjab and a son of a Presbyterian minister, he supposedly to went on to school at the Bible School in Buffalo NY then to Kings College in Delaware. Kenneth Bruce Bonham came to Woodstock in 1946 from Oklahoma he was in the same school plays as Gyi. "Uncle William and Devils Disciple" Kenny was supposed to go on to a college in Texas. He was supposed to be another hunter and photographer Alexander Neil Buchanan Canadian, was to join the Royal Canadian Air Force was class Attorney General then went on to become class Governor. Joseph Keithly Hall, was the Wispering Pines editor and went on to be the class first semesters Minister of Interior. He planned on attending Emory and Henry College at Emory, Virginia. Also plans to be a philosopher. Alan Thebold Jackson, came to Woodstock in 1950, planned to go to school at the Virginia Military Institute to be a career naval officer just as his father did. |
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Subject: Re: query -- Dr. Maung Gyi Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 12:22:30 -0500 From: Clydie Morgan Organization: American Ex-Prisoners of WarI don't have anything on him in our records.Clydie |
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Subject: Re: Query Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 10:55:47 -0500 From:"Louis Fine" <FINE@wpgate.law3.georgetown.edu> To: info@pownetwork.org I regret that I was not able to find any records for these names. Perhaps, "completing graduate studies" should not be equated with the pursuit of a degree and the work that this person did at Georgetown was informal to the extent that no records were kept. Louis Fine Office of the Registrar 202 662-9224 >>> Chuck and Mary Schantag <info@pownetwork.org> 01/06 3:09 PM >>> Is there any way you can confirm several magazine and newspaper statements that this man Gyi, Dr. Maung, aka Winston Maung Maung aka Manbahadur Rai "completed graduate studies in the mid-60's at Georgetown University's law school." His social is xxx-xx-xxxx. Conflicting birth dates - magazines say 1920's, high school records state 1933. Thank You. Mary Schantag P.O.W. NETWORK |
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Subject: Re: Query Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:31:52 -0500 From: "Simone Woung" <WOUNG@wpgate.law3.georgetown.edu> To: info@pownetwork.org I do not have a record that any person with the names below was enrolled at Georgetown Law. Simone Woung, Director of Office
Services Chuck and Mary Schantag <info@pownetwork.org>
01/06 3:09 PM Gyi, Dr. Maung, "completed graduate studies in the mid-60's at Georgetown University's law school." His social is xxx-xxx-xx. Conflicting birth dates - magazines say 1920's, high school records state 1933. Thank You. Mary Schantag |
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Subject: RE: MAUNG GYI Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:02:10 -0000 From: "Gurkha Museum" <curator@thegurkhamuseum.co.uk> To: "Chuck and Mary Schantag" <info@pownetwork.org> Dear Mr and Mrs Schantag, Following receipt of your e-mail of 8th January, I have had the opportunity to carry out some research on Maung Gyi. 1. Page 746B of the Indian Army List April 1939 under Military Employ – Burma lists a Maung Maung Gyi as a Captain in the Indian Medical Service, seconded on 1st April 1937 and appointed Officer Commanding Burma Hospital Company, Rangoon and Combined Detention Centre, Rangoon on 1st March 1939. 2. The name Maung Maung Gyi appears in Indian Army List for October 1944 but not in 1946. 3. The name does not appear in the Regimental History for 10th Gurkha Rifles 4. The 1944 Indian Army List also lists a Captain Thein Maung also in the Indian Medical Service. 5. Other than the above I could find no other reference. I hope this information is of use to you. Yours, |
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Burmese Bando GrandmasterSubject: Burmese Bando Grandmaster Dr. Maung Gyi was constantly exposed to martial arts during his early adolescent years by his father, Grandmaster U Ba Than Gyi. Through his father's influence young Gyi was able to learn combat techniques from many accomplished practitioners in Burma. Although he had aspirations for a career in medicine. World War II would intervene and change the course of Dr. Gyi's life. Dr. Gyi was conscripted into military service at the age of 16, as a medic and infantryman for the 3rd Battalion of the 10 Burma Gurkha Regiment. It was within the China-Burma-India (CBI) theater of World War II that he became critically aware of the importance of function in the martial arts, as Gurkha soldiers fought bravely to repel Japanese in Burma through numerous fierce battles. Prior to the war, Dr. Gyi had been introduced to various edged weapons at his father's compound, particularly the versatile Kukri- a short curved sword used by the Gurkha soldiers, which proved effective against samurai swords and bayonets at night and in trenches. World War II left physical and psychological scars on Dr. Gyi: he was wounded several times and lost several close family members. Upon his return from World War II, Dr. Gyi had an enhanced sense of nationalism, and an even stronger sense of loyalty to his father, and a sound committment to the evolution of Bando. During this post war period, Dr. Gyi and his father redoubled their efforts to understand and document the various strands of Bando. Following a tour of duty with the United Nations Peacekeeping Forces in Korea and Africa, Dr. Gyi moved to the United States in 1959. He attained both law and doctor of philosophy (Ph.D.) degrees from universities in this country. Dr. Gyi worked as a linguist and translator in Washington DC during the early 1960s and trained independantly. He introduced a modified version of Bando to a few select students in 1960 and trained Secret Service personnel, FBI representatives and security officals. Later, he organized the first Bando club in America at the American University in 1963, thus becoming the Father of Modern Bando in America. |
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Phil's Martino's post to Eskrima DigestNOTE: I believe Dr. Gyi was probably 74 or so in 1998 and not 78. Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 1 July 1998 Vol 05 : Number 171 From: Phil Martino I had the honor of attending my first Dr. Maung Gyi seminar this past
weekend at the W.N.Y. Institute of Martial Arts and thought I should
share the experience. For those of you have never seen or heard of the
man you are definitely missing out. Dr. Maung Gyi is the Grand Master of
Burmese Bando, veteran of three wars and trains American Special Forces
as well as other government groups. At seventy-eight years of age
he is still more mobile, articulate and intelligent than men forty and
fifty years younger than he is.
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Dr. Maung GyiDr. Maung Gyi is most widely known as a Grandmaster of Bando, there is so much more to this dynamic individual. He was born in Burma in the 1920's. His family has a long history of serving in the military going all the way back to 1760. So it was no surprise at age 16 Dr. Gyi joined the 10th Gurkha Regiment. In 1944 his unit joined with American troops and he was considered part of the original U.S. Rangers. With his cultural training in Bando and his military training, he had a strong background which would be needed in his future. Dr. Gyi served in World War II, Korean War, Vietnam, Malay War, and Gulf War. His assignments consisted of rescuing pilots shot-down in enemy territory, riot control, etc. Unfortunately, he has been a Prisoner-of-war (P.O.W.) twice. Currently, he holds a rank of General. He has practically visited every country in Asia due to his military travel . This has given him the rare opportunity to study a multitude of martial arts. Dr. Gyi has had the chance to study three different Japanese styles of Karate, has had exposure to Korean martial arts, training in Kali of the Southern Phillipines, and much more. For a short time Dr. Gyi had a fighting career against other martial artists and regular boxers. Combine these experiences with the art of Bando and Dr. Gyi's combat experience and you have a martial artist in the truest sense of the word. As an educator Dr. Gyi has a Phd. in Linguistics and he has taught at Harvard for five years. Dr. Gyi offers training classes to law enforcement officers and the U.S. Army Ranger Training Unit at Fort Benning, GA. Training sessions are usually dedicated to soldiers who fought in either WWII, Korea, or Vietnam War. MAK Website |
Guro Marc Denny's posts to Eskrima Digest on excerpts of Dr. Gyi in Command magazineInayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 30 March 1999 Vol 06 : Num 129 From: "Marc Denny" A Howl of Greeting to All:
This from the writings of Dr. Gyi, (some of which will appear on the
webpage of the DBMAA Dog Brothers Martial Arts Ass'n):
"When we reached the crest, we drew our kukris and waited for
team 2 to reach the ridge from the western slope. The enemy trenches
were only a few yards away. the machine guns from the bunkers riddled
the bomb craters, smoldering logs, and a burning tank, where the Gurkha
fire team were positioned. From the trenches, the Japanese soldiers
continued to throw grenades down the hill. Suddenly the Jemadar stood up
an screamed "Gorkhali ayo!" We all yelled in unison, and
followed him into the Japanese trenches.
We rushed through the maze of narrow trenches, thrusting, slashing
and chopping at the surprised enemy. Some tried to withdraw into the
bunkers, but ran into other Gurkhas and were chopped down instantly.
Then they counterattacked from the western slope. One Japanese
commander, with his sword drawn, rushed out from the main bunker
screaming "Banzai! Banzai! Banzai!" His men, with fixed
bayonets, also charged and tried to flank us. We jumped out of the
trenches to meet them.
The Japanese officer cut down one Gurkha, then another. But then,
just as quickly, the Jemadar sprang forward and decapitated the enemy
officer. The Jemadar yelled "Gorkhali ayo! No prisoners!" and
we responded "No prisoners! Gorkhali ayo!" The resultant
collisions were of steel against steel, steel against flesh, and flesh
against flesh-- it was a killing frenzy among fanatic warriors. Our Lord
Shiva, goddess Kali, and Yama witnessed this brutal hand-to-hand
fighting. It lasted about 15 minutes. Many Japanese escaped down the
south slope, leaving 125 of their dead behind. Our platoon lost two men
killed and three wounded. Our faces and uniforms were drenched in blood.
, , , , Our commanding British officer , , , declared our performance
was one of the finest examples in courage in the regiment's
history."
What can one say?
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Guro Marc Denny's Dhanda post to Eskrima DigestInayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 2 Feb 1999 Vol 06 : Num 045 From: "Marc Denny" .... The next morning, there was a small seminar for Dr. Gyi's
student Mike May's school in El Segundo (310-414-9222.) Again the Dhanda
staff was covered as was material the Dr. Gyi, as part of the famous
Chindit (sp?) battalion taught to Merrill's Rangers in their WW2 mission
behind Japanese lines in the Burmese theatre. I learned this when I
asked him if the Chindits had been assigned to MRs. "No" he
replied, "They were attached to us. We were under General
Mountbatten" (I hope I have this right) Any way, Dr. Gyi related
how a 5 foot staff was part of the issued gear of every one of Merrill's
Rangers. If you're going to go hiking through the Burmese Jungle for a
couple of months, with 80 pounds or so on your back, its pretty handy to
have a staff as you go across that mountain during a rainstorm, or need
to probe for landmines, improvise a stretcher for a sick or wounded
comrade, or toss a snake out of the way, etc. Dr. Gyi showed the strikes
to all directions that were taught for when a CQ ambush didn't give time
to draw firearms. The power of Dr. Gyi's thrusting technique with the
staff is frightening to behold. Its very hard to believe that he is 74
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Master of Kung Fu September 1993 The Master Communicator
Dr. U Maung Gyi teaches college because that's what he knows how
to do; he teaches martial arts because that's what he wants
The professor glances out the classroom window at the warm, spring
sunshine bathing the Ohio University campus in Athens. After It can be a complex task just to seat diplomatic delegations, Dr. U Maung Gyi, Ph.D., explains to nearly 50 students. "It took a year for the United States and North Vietnam to agree on the shape and size of the table at the Paris peace talks," he says. Much of the dispute was over the recognition of South Vietnamese and Viet Cong representatives. On the other hand, Gyi continues, setting up a diplomatic meeting room can be relatively easy if the ViPs desire cooperations in a 1986 at meeting in Reykjavik, Iceland, between President Reagan and Soviet Premier Mikhail Gorbachev. They sat at a simple, square table, Gyi explains, and placed the interpreters on the sides "as significant partners in the negotiation process." Thirty years ago, Gyi himself spoke nine languages (including Hebrew, Japanese, Russian and Vietnamese) and was considering training to become a simultaneous interpreter in diplomatic affairs. He chose teaching instead. His fields: international communication and the martial art of bando. Professor Teacher, linguist, world traveler, war veteran, boxing coach, founder of the American Bando Association-Dr. Gyi is one of those remarkable people who seems to have been everywhere and done just about everything.
Having been graduated from the University of Rangoon, Burma, where he
studied international affairs and law, Gyi completed graduate Gyi is a faculty member in the College of Communication. His wife, Pat, whom he met in Washington, D.C., is an administrator in [ pic] Dr. Gyi, chief Instructor of the American Bando Association, with a ceremonial stick.] OU's College of Osteopathic
Medicine. They have two daughters: one, an OU journalism graduate,
is married and living in California; the other Dr. Gyi is best known on campus for his formidable "Cross Cultural Communication" course in the School of Interpersonal Communication. He also teaches "Communication and the Campaign," whose students are required to actually work on local and state political campaigns. Drawing on his military experiences, Gyi even has taught "Cryptology and Military Communication Systems" to military-science students. He has received the university's Outstanding Professor Award, and students once voted him University Professor, a prestigious award.
But that's just the academic side of the house for this very busy man,
whom a campus film identifies as the faculty member who Bando
During an initiation ceremony held in 1968 at Ohio University, Gyi and
his senior bando students formally organized the nonprofit A year earlier, Gyi had created a bando club and a boxing team for OU students and took on the duties of chief instructor of each. (He since has given instructional duties to people he trained.) Moreover, he has served as faculty adviser to various campus martial arts clubs, including tae kwon do and kung-fu. Dr. Gyi also has been involved with local social issues: he was an early proponent of a program to aid battered women, and he has served as a peer counselor for Athens-area Vietnam veterans suffering from post- traumatic stress disorder.
Today, the ABA has 25-to-30 training groups; its approximately 2,000
practitioners live mostly in the eastern third of the United
States. Bando, pronounced BUN-DO, means "way of
discipline." American practitioners of this ancient Burmese martial
system travel to Athens
ABA training comprises several subsystems, including kick boxing. Gyi, a
veteran of numerous full-contact matches, notes with pride that Bando practitioners also train with wooden sticks of various sizes, and with bladed weapons such as the Burmese dha (long sword) and the Gurkha kukri (short sword). Gyi also has taught nine bando animal systems to his American students, but he modestly considers himself "personally good" in only one.
"I have studied cobra for more than 45 years," Gyi says.
"Even though I am in my senior-citizen age, I still practice
ten-to-15 minutes Burma
Dr. Gyi was born and raised near historic Mandalay, Burma. All his male
relatives had served in the British army. But Gyi's youthful
During World War II, as the seemingly invincible Japanese army rolled
across Asia, a teenaged Gyi served as a field medical orderly and In post-war Burma, U Ba Than Gyi was instrumental in the creation of the National Bando Association. Its goal was to preserve and promote that indigenous martial system. He also instructed his son, who had trained in bando since childhood, to broaden his knowledge by studying the fighting arts of other Asian countries as his military assignments allowed.
After the Korean War, Gyi even found time to represent Burma as a
lightweight boxer in the 1956 Olympics in Melbourne, Australia. He won Founders
Gyi eventually left British military service. In 1960 he moved to
Washington, D.C., where he worked as a government translator. That "I was the carrier of my father's message; it was my mission" he says. "Me early sixties, from '62 to '65-that was the period of the founders of the martial arts and systems in America," Gyi recalls. "I was a contemporary of men like Robert Trias (founder of the United States Karate Association); Ki Whang Kim (pioneer of tae kwon do in America), Peter Urban (American goju pioneer), Ed Parker (American kenpo pioneer), Bruce Lee (creator of jeet kune do), Tsutomu Ohshima (pioneer of shotokan in America) and Don Nagle (American isshinryu pioneer)." Although it was Gyi's goal to build a national, non-commercial bando association, he also was determined to foster good relations with other organizations. "I refereed at tai kwon do, issbinryu, kenpo and kung-fu tournaments," he says. He also served as one of the first officers of the Professional Karate Association. In 1968 he chaired a national rules committee whose work made possible the International Convention of Martial Arts in New York City. Gyi's skill and impartiality as a referee were widely respected. In the early seventies he served as chief referee for national tournament bouts featuring such stars as Joe Lewis, Skipper Mullins, Chuck Norris and Mike Stone. In May, 1975, Gyi refereed the "Battle of Atlanta's historic, full contact karate match between Joe Corley and Bill Wallace. A few months later, Gyi refereed a full-contact match between Jeff Smith and Karriem AHah that was the preliminary card to the Muhammad Ali and Joe Fraziers championship boxing bout.
Even now, Dr. Gyi cannot stay out of the ring. He continues to
referee amateur boxing matches during "Friday Night at the
Fights," a Teaching There are some similarities in the teaching of college students and bando practitioners.
"Both academics and martial system follow a curriculum," Gyi
says. And each requires an instructor to possess not only
substantial "At the scholarly level," Gyi says, "we don't have immediate feedback as to the effectiveness of teaching; it might be several months or years. But in martial systems, you can see the effect in a few days or months. "In academics," he continues, warming to the subject, "we judge performance according to intellect and critical thinking. In martial systems, especially when you're working on forms, it is rote memory and 'muscle memory.' "Is there critical thinking in martial systems? Yes, particularly in freestyle sparring, in which a person must bring out combinations of techniques never used before in forms training," Gyi says. He laments what he sees as a problem today in the area of higher education.
"Sadly to say, in our academic environment, self-discipline is
decreasing," Gyi says. "But in martial systems, people
come to get more Which does he prefer. teaching communication or bando?
The professor pauses for a moment, weighing his response. "I
teach at the university level as my livelihood," he replies.
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