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HEROES OR VILLAINS ??

The listed individuals have been reported as having made statements about being captured, captured but never reporting it, held in captivity, tortured, escaping captivity, being rescued or the unique report noted below.

Based on the P.O.W. NETWORK's access to POW/MIA documentation, contact with former POWs, NAM-POWS Inc, American Ax-POWs, SEALS, Special Forces, MACVSOG, Vietnam Helicopter Pilots, Medal of Honor recipients and basing our work on the DPMO's list (PMSEA) -- NO documentation exists to back up their statements. In our FIFTEEN YEARS of working with the data - NOT ONE CASE has shown the PMSEA and the corroborating documents to be wrong. The names listed make up a combined list of individuals reported to the P.O.W. NETWORK. In some instances the individual was reported to one of the other above named organizations and sent to us for further investigation. For many, military records are IN HAND providing actual military service details that do NOT confirm alleged POW status.

Motives are usually unclear as few rewards come with the distinction of being a bona fide POW from the Vietnam Conflict (North and South Vietnam, China, Cambodia and Laos), as officially recognized by the Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense, International Security Affairs. 

MAYBE......  THE MOTIVE

PORTION OF remarks prepared for delivery Monday, July 3, 2000, at the Vietnam Helicopter Pilots Association dinner and reunion in Washington, D.C. by author, Joe Galloway:

....  and the truth is: You are the cream of the crop of our generation, the best and finest of an entire generation of Americans. You are the ones who answered when you were called to serve. You are the ones who fought bravely and endured a terrible war in a terrible place. You are the ones for whom the words duty, honor, country have real meaning because you have lived those words and the meaning behind those words. You are my brothers in arms and I am not ashamed to say that I love you. I would not trade one of you for a whole trainload of instant Canadians, or a whole boatload of Rhodes scholars bound for England or a whole campus full of guys who turned up for their draft physicals wearing panty hose.....

Thank you. I salute you. I remember you. I will teach my sons the stories and legends about you....

The listed persons have made claims, but they are not recognized by DPMO.

If anyone has viable proof of their captivity which is accepted by the American Ax-POWs, NAM-POWs and DMPO - PLEASE contact us immediately.  We will take corrective action and work with them to be recognized for their sacrifice.  

Until then, their claims remain under an umbrella of suspicion.

We do suggest you ask for PROOF-- [DD214's are NOT evidence] and ask for their service number or social security number so that further investigation can be done. (Or have them voluntarily sign a military FORM 180 - FULL records release - and have the records sent to a neutral party.) Portions of EVERY military record is releaseable. The National Personnel Records center will note whether or not they were held as POWs - and/or when or WHERE they served in the military when a proper request is filed. AWARDS AND DECORATIONS, TRAINING, AND DUTY ASSIGNMENTS ARE CLEARLY NOTED WHEN THE FOIA IS RETURNED WITH THE INFORMATION. Please remember - we are working with EMPLOYERS RECORDS. NO MILITARY RECORD is the property of an individual. The individual has no claim to it except as his/her own employment record. ALL military personnel WERE / ARE  EMPLOYED by the United States Military.

Returnee and President of NAM-POWs, Capt. Mike McGrath says, "Don't believe for a minute the Rambo stories of the guy being a Seal or a Special Forces type.  He invariably "killed a guard and made good his escape after a few months." However, the mission is still classified and he can't talk about it.  Can't you just hear the alarm bells ringing...!!!!!

Our POW motto was: "Return with Honor..."

February 10, 2000

I just went through your entire Phony section, opened up all the sections, one by one, and I'm amazed at all your wonderful work. Fantastic reference document. I'll send all those who inquire to your site.... first... for the real McCoy authentic information on Phony POWs. Thanks for your service to the thousands of victims who are likely to fall prey to Phonies, liars and con men who would take advantage of those who are susceptible to POW sob stories.

Mike McGrath (POW 30 June '67 to 4 March '73)
President of NAM-POWs, a social and fraternal brotherhood of the Vietnam era POWs from NVN, SVN, Laos, Cambodia and China.

From: "Zetwo, David SFC " 
Subject: Thanks
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 13:30:47 +0100 

I've seen your web site, and it is about time someone exposed liars for who they really are.   I am currently here in Bosnia as the 1SG for the Psyop Detachment, and my men as well as myself like seeing some of the total assholes out there being shown for what they are.    There are men I serve here with who have been there and done that and maintain the quiet professional attitude.  My Cdr here, an ex Ranger Bn Ofc., gets a laugh out of these idiots also.    Please keep up the great work and remember just like germs exposed to sunlight, these scum will disappear when they are exposed also.   

Thanks Guys.   

 Sfc David E. Zetwo Jr.   PSYOP 1SG   Bosnia Detachment 

 " Because Physical wounds heal"


From: "Joan J" 
To: info@pownetwork.org
Subject: About your site.
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:11:28 +0100
To whom this may concern.
 
I would like to thank you for a site that is both interesting and at times quite humorous, despite its gravely serious nature.
 
I'm a 29 year old student of history, from Denmark, Europe, and I was idly looking for something as strange as medals awarded by the warring powers during WWII this morning, and I came across your site by, let's just say circumspect routes.
 
While it wasn't what I was looking for, I do greatly respect the work you are doing. History is full of people who make their fame and fortune on the broken backs of others, and it is always a pleasure to see one of these people ousted as the fraud he or she is.
 
Your site does this admirably. Politics and differences of opinion aside, war is always an ugly business where people get killed. Wars are usually won by killing enough of the enemy to make sure he doesn't want to fight anymore, after all. That means risk to the men and women involved. Mostly men, admittedly. By "stealing their thunder", frauds dishonor those who really did risk life and limb, and in many cases paid the highest possible price for their bravery, and as such they must be revealed for what they are.
 
To steal someone's physical, earthly belongings is bad enough, but to steal honor and personal achievement is one of the basest, most despicable ways of treating another human being. Stripped naked and placed on review, we are all just human beings, after all. And all that will then make us different from each other are the achievements we know we have accomplished. What makes a hero is not his ability to accumulate wealth and riches, but his bravery in the face of adversity and danger.
 
Someone once said to me, that in war there are no heroes. Only desperate men trying very hard to stay alive. This may very well be true. But *heroics* exist. And heroics create heroes. I believe that statement to be true only in the sense that no soldier in war gets up in the morning with the words "I'm going to win a CMH and a Purple Heart today!". More likely, most get up with a thought of "Please God, let me be alive to go to sleep tonight again."
 
That doesn't make the actions that have made men heroes *any* less. In fact...in many ways I think it makes it all the more impressive.
 
So hoping that you will continue your good work.
 
Yours truly
 
Joan J
Student
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:30:45 EST
Subject: Thank You!

I have read many true accounts of what the real POWs have gone through. I myself have listened to too many stories of heroics. I feel that those who take credit for the valor of others are influencing those that believe them. There are people like me who have been fooled. And we try to learn the lessons of a hero in the hope that we ourselves can be better. But when we learn lessons from a lying coward, we have to start all over again believing in heroes. I am certain that what you are doing is right. If we just knew who to listen to. Who to believe in. I wish I could speak to a true warrior. Instead I'm talking to a fake. When I found out my mentor, a so called "Green Beret" who I admired and followed was a bullshit artist, I didn't know what to think. You see, heroes, are the ones we look to for guidance. Without them, I have no true moral standing to aspire to. I can't be Jesus Christ. I'm just a man. When someone lies to me that I have taken into my confidence, it makes me the bastardized son of a true hero. I just want to be courageous, true and honorable. If my mentors were those who truly are, I fell I would be a better person with so much more to give.
 
                                 Erik 

ALL Vietnam POW/MIAs are listed at VIETNAM POW/MIA BIOGRAPHIES.

This website also contains a phony/wannabee information area and list of reported individuals.

The Pentagon is available to confirm or deny that a name is on the PMSEA list (those officially recognized as being held in SE Asia).
Phone 703-699-1100 - ext 1169 - Please ask for Larry Greer, DOD PAO. 
The POW NETWORK list is based on the PMSEA - which, in 30+ years, has never been found wrong (i.e.. - missing a name of someone claiming to be a POW returnee.)

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For more information on this subject, please read the books:
STOLEN VALOR -- How the Vietnam Generation was Robbed of its Heroes and its History
by B.G. Burkett and Glenna Whitley

or 

FAKE WARRIORS
by Henry Mark Holzer and Erika Holzer

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