Heroes or Villains?

INTRODUCTION

CLAIMING VIETNAM PRISONER OF WAR:

V V A - Claims by members of  Vietnam Veterans of America

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Reported Claims of:
Medal of Honor, Other than Vietnam POWs, Son Tay Raiders, DSC, DFC, Purple Heart, Silver Star, Bronze Star, Navy Cross, SEALS, Rangers, Pilots, Special Forces, Green Berets, Combat, Vietnam Helicopter Pilots, Flying Tigers, DOUBT EVERYTHING, Don't Encourage and more.

APOLOGIES AND CLARIFICATIONS

Individuals reported as of 01/2012
CLAIMS AS NOTED 
#  =  on list over 15 years

Note: The names listed in the next pages have made VARIOUS or multiple claims
that cannot be substantiated or have been proven FALSE. 
These individuals are IN ADDITION TO those investigated and named in the book STOLEN VALOR.

Those with a "LINK" have records, news articles, pictures or tales posted.
All names are first checked here  http://www.dtic.mil/dpmo/ if POW claims are made. 

Comments in GREEN are from information contained in military records (or lack of military records) obtained
through FOIA when requested THROUGH the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis.

THOSE CLAIMING MEDAL OF HONOR
NOTE: In 1996 HLI Lordship Industries (at the time, the OFFICIAL USG contractor for the Medal of Honor) admitted selling THREE HUNDRED unauthorized medals for $75.00 each from 1991-1994. They were fined $80,000. NOT ALL of those medals have been recovered. Offenders in possession of an unauthorized medal can be arrested, fined ( The maximum fine for a criminal offense is $250,000, pursuant to 18 U.S.C. Section 3571(b)(3) ) and jailed (up to a year). It is the only military medal that CANNOT be bought, sold, bartered, traded, collected, auctioned, exchanged.... EVERY Medal of Honor is awarded by act of Congress. Less than 84 REAL Medal of Honor recipients are alive today. 

H [3]

Member of Florida AL Post 272
Claims Army 64-67, 
Claims to have been a tunnel rat 
Claims CIB, Silver Star, 2 Purple Hearts
Claims Special Forces
Claims worked in the Pentagon

Actual Records 

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/de-supreme-court/1459499.html

NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH WWII REAL EXX-POW RALPH HOAG CAPTURED IN 1942.

Discharged E00

served July 69 - Oct 71

aka HOEZEL, CHARLES

06/2010

James m Holben
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Military.com member since 2002
Service: Marine Corps
Status: Retired Military
Rank: E-5
Location: OH , US
Bio: not available
Interests: not available
Conflicts & Operations: not available

He claims to have served 28 years in the Marines. He claims 2 tours in Vietnam. He claims 2 Purple Heart among other decorations.  No way he could have served 2 toured in Vietnam at his age. He also states that he served in the 1st Gulf war.

2010

He claimed 28 years of service and military retirement from the Marines.

His many war stories include horrifying details of torturing a Vietnamese sniper who shot him of the top of an army tank. He said after they shot him from a tree, they turned a flamethrower on him and continued to cook him, and more.

The news media turned up his ex-wife and she said for the 28 years he claimed as a Marine, he was laying on the couch watching the TV.

He was always correcting everyone from all branches of the service....

The news had him on TV mopping the floor in a convenient store and when they asked him of his military service he said it's all classified......cannot be opened.
 

ACTUAL MILITARY RECORDS

EXPOSED 
on myfoxcleveland.com 02/26/2007
http://www.myfoxcleveland.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail
?contentId=2507331&version=1&locale=EN-US&
layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.1.1

08/2005

QUESTION EVERYTHING !!

Overview of the Problem citing past cases: http://nwanews.com/bcdr/News/72972/

Gibson: http://nwanews.com/bcdr/News/72970/

Holland (with Photo): http://nwanews.com/bcdr/News/72971/

Both Men: http://nwanews.com/bcdr/News/72954/

FBI Sidebar: http://nwanews.com/bcdr/News/72956/

AKA  Reverend John Gabriel Holland

AKA Retired Colonel John Gabriel Holland

AKA Doctor Jasper Land Holland

The picture below is his "retirement" picture from FT. Benning GA.

Rootsweb:

QUESTION EVERYTHING !!!

04/2010

....If the name you provided is spelled correctly, I do NOT find a listing in the SEAL Database (end of WWII to the Present Day) for anyone named CHRISTOPHER “CHRIS” HOLMES. I have also examined possible alternate spellings, and names with similar pronunciations without finding any that might be applicable. There are nine (9) men listed in the SEAL Database with the last name HOLMES; none of those men has either a first or middle name “CHRIS” or “CHRISTOPHER” or any variant thereof.

Unless he has undertaken the unlikely action of a legal name change (an action for which there would be evidence in the form of court documentation) since his claimed attendance at BUD/S training, and based upon the information you have provided, I can state conclusively that CHRISTOPHER “CHRIS” HOLMES has NEVER COMPLETED SEAL training, and he is not now, nor was he ever a Navy SEAL or a Navy UDT “Frogman”.

When members of the Naval Special Warfare community meet others who claim similar service, but whom they do not recognize, there is a conversational exchange of information that establishes the bona fides of each to the other. There is no set formula for this exchange, nor for the information that is exchanged, but it ALWAYS takes place, and the REAL Naval Special Warfare members can ALWAYS spot a phony as a result of this exchange. If you have an opportunity to speak with the man at some point in the future, I might suggest that you to ask Mr. HOLMES these questions:

(1) Since there is no listing in the SEAL Database for the name you are currently using, WHAT NAME DID YOU USE during SEAL training?

(2) Where did his training take place? (NB: Training has been conducted at several locations over the years; different portions in different places)

(3) When did he graduate from Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL (BUD/S) training? (i.e. a specific graduation DATE)

There are many other questions which could be asked to further establish the level of veracity or untruth regarding his claims, such as asking for the names of other members of his graduating class, but those basic questions are absolutes. While the answers to those questions are totally UNCLASSIFIED, and every real SEAL will gladly provide that substantiating information upon request, Mr. HOLMES will very likely insist that the information is either classified or sensitive and cannot be provided.

I might suggest that you also ask Mr. HOLMES to specifically identify WHICH SEAL Team(s) he served on, and when. I am in direct contact with several hundred of my SEAL Teammates whose collective experience covers virtually all time periods from the Korean War to the present; I can quickly contact those individuals to verify any specific names, events, or other claims offered by Mr. HOLMES. If he feels that his name has somehow been mistakenly omitted from the SEAL records, I’d be pleased to speak with him and hear details of his service which would serve to validate his claims. The Director of the Naval Special Warfare Archives – a close personal friend and SEAL Teammate – is only a phone call away and standing by to amend the records if this is ever found to be true. However, I estimate that I’ve made the same offer to more than 5,000 SEAL imposters in the last eight years, and none of them ever turned out to be a valid SEAL.

No one gets to the SEAL Teams without first completing BUD/S Training. There are records of every man who has qualified for the title of “SEAL”; there have been and will continue to be secret missions, but there are NO secret SEALs… we know them all.

As Mr. HOLMES has specifically identified a BUD/S Training class by number – 224 – then there is a strong likelihood that he actually was involved in training with that class and was either washed out for failure to meet performance qualifications, or voluntarily quit. If that is the case, then he would have a good bit of “insider” information which would make his stories more credible to uninformed listeners. The true test is to ask him for the SPECIFIC GRADUATION DAY/DATE for the class, and the NAMES AND SKILL RATINGS of three (3) of his classmates who were standing tall for that graduation. When a man is washed out of BUD/S or voluntarily quits, he is removed from the training area immediately and berthed at a physically distant location on the main NAB base, and he is transferred to another command within a matter of 2 or 3 days… often within 24 hours of leaving the BUD/S compound. From that point on it is highly unlikely that he will have any direct contact with those who are still in training or know when training specifically ends (i.e. day of the week, day of the month, etc) and extremely unlikely that he will know the names of all those who remained in the class as opposed to others who subsequently left of their own accord or were washed out of the class after his departure. As I stated above, Mr. HOLMES’ name is NOT among those listed on the roster of successful BUD/S graduates. ...

Thank you again for your concern in this matter, and for your assistance in upholding the honor of the US Navy SEAL Teams. Depending on the specifics of his actions and claims, Mr. HOLMES may have crossed the line from braggadocio and may also be prosecutable under the STOLEN VALOR ACT of 2005. ...

Respectfully,

Steve Robinson RM2(SEAL)
USN 1970-1978
SEAL Team ONE
Inshore Undersea Warfare Group ONE
UDT-SEAL Association - Member
Special Operations Association - Member
POW Network Board of Directors
Naval Special Warfare Archives - SOF
Analyst/Contributing Journalist
Disabled American Veterans - Life Member
FORMER Special Investigator - SEAL Authentication Team
CyberSEALs.org - Webmaster
Author - NO GUTS, NO GLORY - Unmasking Navy SEAL Imposters

No one with that name attended Ranger School in the 80's-2000's.

RLTW
SR TAC

 

VFW Post Commander

To Whom It May Concern:
I greatly appreciate your interest in upholding the honor of the US Navy SEAL Teams, and your search for the TRUTH. Before answering your questions I must make clear that I am a private individual, not affiliated with the US Dept. of Defense or any other government organization. I am one of about a dozen men in America who possess a copy of the SEAL Database, a comprehensive and regularly updated listing of all men who trained and served with the Naval Special Warfare units (SEALs, UDT, NCDU, S&R) from the end of WWII to the present day. I also have access to archival sources who can verify/deny claims of service DURING WWII. As a former US Navy SEAL myself, I am fully familiar with the NSW training program and the standard operating procedures used by the Teams, as well as an in-depth personal knowledge of many of the ‘insider’ events and incidents which UDT “Frogmen” and SEALs offer as a part of their bona fides. My efforts to expose SEAL imposters are performed free of charge, as a service to the public, and in honor of my SEAL Teammates who gave their lives in service to our nation… men who truly earned the right to the title “US NAVY SEAL” but who are no longer able to stand forward in defense of their honor, their reputations, and their TEAMs.
 
If the name you provided is spelled correctly, I do NOT find a listing in the SEAL database of successful graduates for anyone named WILLIAM S. HORTON. I have also examined possible alternate spellings, and names with similar pronunciations. There are only four (4) men with the last name HORTON listed in the entirety of the SEAL Database (end of WWII to the Present Day); none of those men has the first name WILLIAM or the middle initial “S”.
 
Unless he has undertaken the unlikely action of a legal name change (an action for which there would be court documentation) since his claimed attendance at BUD/S training, and based upon the information you have provided, I can state conclusively that WILLIAM S. HORTON has NEVER COMPLETED SEAL training, and he is not now, nor was he ever a Navy SEAL...

Very Respectfully,
Steve Robinson
USN 1970-1978
SEAL Team ONE
Inshore Undersea Warfare Group ONE
UDT-SEAL Association - Member
Special Operations Association - Member
POW Network Advisory Board
Naval Special Warfare Archives - SOF Analyst/Contributing Journalist
Disabled American Veterans - Life Member
FORMER Special Investigator - SEAL Authentication Team
Author of the book NO GUTS, NO GLORY - Unmasking Navy SEAL Imposters

Never a SEAL.

Served June 19, 1959 - Aug 3, 1967
Awards: Good Conduct; National Defense; Armed Forces Exp (Cuba)
Rate A03, A02

DA: Cop used fake PCS orders to break lease

Claims Special Forces tab.  (He was assigned to an SF unit for a while, completed 2 weeks of SFAS and was a medical drop.  Never completed SFQC.)

Claims Military Freefall Parachutist badge. (Had a slot to the course but was a no-show.)

Claims Master Parachutist Badge.  (Graduated from the Airborne course and the Jumpmaster course, but was never awarded either the Senior parachutist Badge or the Master Parachutist badge.)

Claims Expert Infantryman Badge.  (No orders were ever found awarding this badge.)

Claims Presidential Unit Citation. (Not sure where he got this.  He was never in combat, and none of the Alaska ARNG units have earned them (to date).)

There were rumors to the effect that he was kicked out of the Army. His last active unit was 1^st Battalion, 501^st PIR, 172^nd Infantry Brigade, Fort Richardson , Alaska . When he was exposed, his security clearance was pulled, and he was kicked out (of the Army National Guard)

Rumor now is that he is employed by the US Coast Guard in Anchorage as a security specialist!

again
02/2011

 THE FOUNDER OF SCIENTOLOGY
From the Scientology Website:

"What is Scientology?
Based on the Works of L. Ron Hubbard
L. RON HUBBARD: THE FOUNDER OF SCIENTOLOGY
When the US entered World War II, Mr. Hubbard was commissioned as a lieutenant (junior grade) in the US Navy and served as a commander of corvettes. He saw action in both the Atlantic and Pacific, and thoroughly distinguished  himself in the eyes of those who served beneath him. Yet he was not a man who enjoyed war, and having seen enough  killing to last him a lifetime – and the effects of that bloodshed on men’s sanity – he vowed to redouble his efforts to create a saner world. With this same sense of compassion, he also did all he could to safeguard his crews, prompting  one of his men to write:  “I feel I owe you a tremendous debt of gratitude. First for your acquaintance. Secondly because you have portrayed to me  all the attributes of a ‘story book’ naval officer. I can see for myself that you were an officer and a gentleman long before Congress decided so.”  In 1945, left partially blind with injured optic nerves and lame from hip and back injuries, Mr. Hubbard was hospitalized at  Oak Knoll Naval Hospital in Oakland, California. Among the 5,000 naval and Marine Corps patients at Oak Knoll were hundreds of former American prisoners liberated from Japanese camps on South Pacific islands. Many were in terrible condition from starvation and other causes, unable to assimilate protein."
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Subject: What Next?
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:24:33 +0900

How can someone .... keep the organization from constantly publicizing the extremely exaggerated military career of it's deceased founder?  To start at the bottom, the Church of Scientology (CoS) has been using an inflated story of their found Layfette R. Hubbard.  Personally I don't care about what or who they worship.... However CoS Leaders have been using this deception to the unsuspecting  as proof that their founder was an honorable man.  This can be found at
http://www.whatisscientology.org/to/part01/chp03/pg0118.html      http://www.ronthephilosopher.org/page82.htm     and http://www.ronthepoet.org/p_jpg/thewar1.htm

However some excellent research done by a Mr Chris Owen,
http://www.spaink.net/cos/warhero/contents.htm   show that Layfette Hubbard's career is mostly a farce, and the 27 medal he (and the CoS) claim is phoney.  Several people have pointed this out to the CoS, but they have been basically told to get lost (stronger language used)....  These lies are an insult to my fathers memory, who served honorably with the USAF through the Korean War and the Viet Nam War. Any and all ideas welcome, these lies must stop.

MSgt, USAF

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There is an event honoring Hubbard at the United States Navy Memorial (Heritage Center), on Feb 19, 2011.  The attached invitation reads "The United States Navy memorial and the Friends of L R Hubbard invite you to a tribute to L R Hubbard ...".

Church of Scientology L Ron Hubbard Event Invitation

The Navy Memorial responded that they have not authorized Scientology to use their name as endorsing the event. According to them they have contacted Scientology and asked them not to list them as a co sponsor. Having said that L Ron was a navy veteran and he as any other veteran is allowed to have a plaque in his name. This is a privet event solely created by Scientology and not endorsed by the Navy nor the Memorial. Any group can dedicate a plaque to an individual, ship or navy group. The Memorial is aware of the controversy but they are not in a position to refuse the dedication.
 

07/2009

11/2011

NY

07/2009

ACTUAL RECORDS

NO SEAL has EVER been a POW.

Commander

Naval Special Warfare Command

FOIA Coordinator

2000 Trident Way

San Diego, CA 92155

Cody Hughes Hey victor guess I'll have to explain again, I was in 3/2 sspn for a fee years yeah I missed my sons bitch my wife, my family
Everything so go
Fuck yourself you pussy, I'd love to see u come on down here n say that tough
Man
Shit to
My face...I'd make u fucking wear ir...RIP BRAD BRADLEY BENJAMIN ATKINSON JAVIER TUNOA HERMAN ORTIZ...3/2 snipers bitch watch what the fuck u say bitch

10 hours ago

ACTUAL RECORDS

(RMNews Editor: Bob Hunt is a Navy SEAL and covert operative who was instrumental in leaking classified documents to Rodney Stich. These documents confirmed that the government operatives who came forward and broke their cover to tell the truth, were indeed who they said they were. Whenever a government covert operative breaks his cover and begins to tell the truth, he/she is either jailed or killed.......

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Comments:

10/2007

Please pass this information along to in response to the inquiry regarding Mr. JAMES “JIMMY’ FREDERICK HUNT.

I greatly appreciate your interest in upholding the honor of the US Navy SEAL Teams, and your search for the TRUTH. Before answering your questions I must make clear that I am a private individual, not affiliated with the US Dept. of Defense or any other government organization. My efforts to expose SEAL imposters are performed as a service to the public, and in honor of my SEAL Teammates who gave their lives in service to our nation… men who truly earned the right to the title “US NAVY SEAL” but who are no longer able to stand forward in defense of their honor, their reputations, and their TEAMs.

If the name you provided is spelled correctly, I do NOT find a listing in the SEAL Database (SEAL Teams and predecessor units from1943 to the Present Day) for anyone named JAMES “JIMMY’ FREDERICK HUNT. I have also examined possible alternate spellings, and names with similar pronunciations without finding any that appear to be applicable. In point of fact there are only six (6) men listed in the SEAL Database with the last name “HUNT”; none of those men has either the first name “JAMES” or the middle name “FREDERICK”.

Unless he has undertaken the unlikely action of a legal name change (an action for which there would be evidence in the form of court documentation) since his claimed attendance at BUD/S training, and based upon the information you have provided, I can state conclusively that JAMES “JIMMY’ FREDERICK HUNT has NEVER COMPLETED SEAL training, and he is not now, nor was he ever a Navy SEAL, a Navy UDT “Frogman”, a member of any Naval Combat Demolition Unit (NCDU), or a member of the Naval Amphibious Scouts & Raiders (S&R).

When members of the Naval Special Warfare community meet others who claim similar service, but whom they do not recognize, there is a conversational exchange of information that establishes the bona fides of each to the other. There is no set formula for this exchange, nor for the information that is exchanged, but it ALWAYS takes place, and the REAL Naval Special Warfare members can ALWAYS spot a phony as a result of this exchange. If Mr. HUNT persists in insisting that his SEAL claims are legitimate, I might suggest that you or someone else ask him these questions:

(1) Since there is no listing in the SEAL Database for the name you are currently using, WHAT NAME DID YOU USE during SEAL training?

(2) What was his BUD/S Class Number? (NB: No SEAL ever forgets the class number he shouted all day long, every day, for 6 months)?

(3) Where did his training take place? (NB: Training has been conducted at several locations over the years; different portions in different places)?

(4) When did he graduate from Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL (BUD/S) training? (i.e. a specific graduation DATE)?

(5) When did he enter the US Navy (a specific month and year)?

(6) When did he leave the US Navy (a specific month and year)?

(7) What were his Primary and Secondary Naval Enlisted Classification codes –NEC– or his Naval Officer Billet Code – NOBC?

There are many other questions which could be asked to further establish the level of veracity or untruth regarding his claims, such as asking for the names of other members of his graduating class, but those basic questions are absolutes. The answers to those questions are totally UNCLASSIFIED, and every real SEAL will gladly provide that substantiating information upon request.

I might suggest that someone also ask Mr. HUNT to specifically identify WHICH SEAL Team(s) he served on, and when. I am in direct contact with several hundred of my SEAL Teammates whose collective experience covers virtually all time periods from the Korean War to the present; I can quickly contact those individuals to verify any specific names, events, or other claims offered by Mr. HUNT. If he feels that his name has somehow been mistakenly omitted from the SEAL records, I’d be pleased to speak with him and hear details of his service which would serve to validate his claims. The Director of the Naval Special Warfare Archives – a close personal friend and SEAL Teammate – is only a phone call away and standing by to amend the records if this is ever found to be true. However, I estimate that I’ve made the same offer to more than 5,000 SEAL imposters in the past decade, and none of them ever turned out to be a valid SEAL.

Before any classified operations may be undertaken as a SEAL Operator, a man must first successfully complete the totally unclassified BUD/S Training program and the follow-on secondary training program; the names of all those who successfully graduate from that training program are compiled in the SEAL database. Later participation in classified operations has no impact on whether or not a person is listed as a graduate of the training program. There are records of every man who has qualified for the title of “SEAL”; there have been and will continue to be secret missions, but there are NO secret SEALs… we know them all....

Thank you again for your concern in this matter, and for your assistance in upholding the honor of the US Navy SEAL Teams. If I can be of any further assistance to you in this matter, please contact me at your convenience.

Respectfully,

Hanoi Jane Fonda