Heroes or Villains?

INTRODUCTION

CLAIMING VIETNAM PRISONER OF WAR:

V V A - Claims by members of  Vietnam Veterans of America

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More Reported Claims:
Medal of Honor, Other than Vietnam POWs, Son Tay Raiders, DSC, DFC, Purple Heart, Silver Star, Bronze Star, Navy Cross, SEALS, Rangers, Pilots, Special Forces, Green Berets, Combat, Vietnam Helicopter Pilots, Flying Tigers, DOUBT EVERYTHING, Don't Encourage 

APOLOGIES AND CLARIFICATIONS

Individuals reported as of  12/2009
CLAIMING VIETNAM POW STATUS  or as noted
#  =  on list over 12 years

Note: These individuals are IN ADDITION TO those investigated and named in the book STOLEN VALOR.

Those with a "LINK" have records, news articles, pictures or tales posted.
All names are first checked here  http://www.dtic.mil/dpmo/.   When not found, an investigation is opened.
Comments in GREEN are from information contained in military records (or lack of military records) obtained through FOIA when requested THROUGH the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis.

THOSE CLAIMING MEDAL OF HONOR
NOTE: In 1996 HLI Lordship Industries (at the time, the OFFICIAL USG contractor for the Medal of Honor) admitted selling THREE HUNDRED unauthorized medals for $75.00 each from 1991-1994. They were fined $80,000. NOT ALL of those medals have been recovered. Offenders in possession of an unauthorized medal can be arrested, fined (up to $10,000) and jailed (up to a year). It is the only military medal that CANNOT be bought, sold, bartered, traded, collected, auctioned, exchanged.... EVERY Medal of Honor is awarded by act of Congress. Less than 150 REAL Medal of Honor recipients are alive today.

 

The names listed have made VARIOUS or multiple claims that cannot be substantiated or have been proven FALSE. 

H

03/2009

“My story has been vetted by a number of official sources!  I have now been invited by the Department of the Navy to present an address about my story from the deck of the USS Brady [sic],…”.  The complete text of Mr. Haas’ message can be read at:  http://groups.google.com/group/alt.war.vietnam/msg/6c50e1350e960e9c )

If you check appropriate Navy records, you will discover that he was expelled from the Navy ROTC program at Purdue University in the early 1970s as a consequence of a criminal act. 
 
If his story about his alleged career as a CIA “hitman” were true, which it certainly is not, Mr. Haas would be, by his own admission, guilty of multiple felonies - violation of Executive Order 12333 and Congressional proscriptions against assassination, fraud, perjury (in his employment applications, in his background biographic forms required for seeking security clearances, etc), multiple tax violations (says he never declared his alleged "compensation" from the CIA), and God knows what else.
 
Mr. Haas is a GS-14 Department of the Army civilian employee at the U.S. Army Reserve Command (USARC) at Atlanta, GA.  He openly calls his employment with the USARC a "cover assignment." 

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Mr. Haas,

One does not need detailed knowledge of how our intelligence services operate to recognize that your story is nonsense.

Any reasonably intelligent, moderately well-informed person who is willing to remove his or her ideological blinders and examine your story with a little common sense and logic should be able to recognize it as the fiction that it is.

In the 2 Sep 07 note cited above you wrote:  "The Agency has since (within the last 4 weeks) come out and admitted that it did indeed use targeted killings.  This was also reported in the Washington Post. The Agency is releasing this info they call 'the family jewels.'"

Mr. Haas, what is the date and headline of the Washington Post article you refer to?  A Google search of the Internet and a search of the Washington Post on-line archive using two combinations of keywords "assassin CIA" (without quotes), and "targeted killing" CIA (with quotes), yielded only four items published in the six weeks before you wrote the above sentence:

·      A transcript of an interview with NY Times correspondent Tim Weiner about his book "Legacy of Ashes: The History of the CIA", which is critical of the CIA;
·      This blurb about a movie: "'Hitman,' adapted from the hit video game "Hitman: Codename 47," stars Timothy Olyphant as Agent 47, a genetically engineered assassin who works for a shadowy agency called, of all things, the Agency."
·      This blurb about the book "The Bourne Ultimatum" (Bantam, $7.99), by Robert Ludlum: "A master assassin renews his struggle against an international terrorist."
·      This blurb about a movie based on Ludlum's book: ""The Bourne Ultimatum." Hyperkinetic thriller -- gloriously dizzying and paranoid -- is a stunning finale to the Bourne trilogy ("The Bourne Identity," 2002; "The Bourne Supremacy," 2004, PG-13s), updating Robert Ludlum's Cold War novels to the terror-tainted present; Matt Damon, as amnesiac CIA assassin Jason Bourne, gets to the source of his identity and why most (but not all) CIA higher-ups want him dead. Violence approaches bloody R levels in bone-crushing fights, lethal gunplay; foot chases, car chases are breathlessly shot and edited and could induce motion sickness; mild profanity. High schoolers."

A Google search on the keywords "CIA's family jewels" yielded a keyword-searchable 702-page collection of CIA documents made public in June 2007, that has been described as "the family jewels" and appears to be the "jewels" you referred to.  If so, I believe you have misrepresented the contents of the "family jewels" collection.

The collection describes shopworn allegations by various journalists and wannabes that the CIA uses political assassination as a weapon and that Operation Phoenix during the Vietnam war was a CIA-run program of political assassinations.

Far from the CIA admitting, as you wrote, "that it did indeed use targeted killings," in 1972, the then Executive Director of the CIA, William E. Colby, with concurrence of the then Director of CIA, Richard Helms, wrote that he could say under oath that:

"a.  CIA does not and has not used political assassination as a weapon.

"b.  Operation Phoenix was run not by the CIA but by the Government of Vietnam, with the support of the CORDS element of the U. S. Military Assistance Command in coordination with several U. S. agencies including CIA.

"c.  Operation Phoenix in not and was not a program of assassination."

Mr. Haas, I have been unable to find any authoritative reference that, by any stretch of imagination, could be accurately characterized as a report by the Washington Post--or any other publication--that the CIA "admitted that it did indeed use targeted killings."

In the same 2 Sep 07 note, you wrote:  "My story has been vetted by a number of official sources!"

Mr. Haas, specifically what "official sources"?

Also on 2 Sep 07, you wrote:  "I have now been invited by the Department of the Navy to present an address about my story from the deck of the USS Brady, a cold war era destroyer."

Mr. Haas, specifically which office of the Department of the Navy extended the alleged invitation?

Specifically, when and where will you present your story?  On the deck of which USS Brady?

The National Association of Destroyer Veterans has posted on its website what appears to be comprehensive lists of every US Navy destroyer ever commissioned.  See the links at
http://www.destroyers.org/shipinfocenter/destroyer-info-ctr.htm.  I did not find any vessel named USS Brady on any of these lists.

Or, is it possible that you have been invited to present you story on the deck of the starship U.S.S. Brady, NCC-71500?   See description and photos at http://members.aol.com/Griffworks/Brady.html.

On 2 Sep 07, you wrote:  "I am also slated to speak at a number of other high military venues, something that would not be happening if my story were a lie."

Mr. Haas, specifically what "high level military venues" are you slated to speak at?  Also, dates and locations, please?

On 2 Sep 07, you wrote:  "Finally, I have made it clear that I stand ready to testify before both the Senate and House Select Committees on Intelligence."

Mr. Haas, you might wish to be careful what you wish for.  Those fellows customarily place witnesses under oath.

On 2 Sep 07, you wrote:  "Both the Department of the Army and my command are aware of my book, have read it, and a number of general officers and current and/or retired CIA personnel have gone out of their way to get autographed copies."

Mr. Haas, do you mean to imply that the Department of the Army has endorsed the content of your book?

If so, specifically, what reviewing authority signed the memorandum of record stating that "This manuscript has been cleared for open publication and unrestricted distribution."?

Also, since you seem to imply that "a number of the general officers and current and/or retired CIA personnel" vouch for your story, please name them.  Every retired CIA officer I know is convinced that your story is false and that you are a pathetic armchair wannabe.

Additionally, they are disgusted that you have smeared the reputations of the thousands of authentic members of the clandestine services who have dedicated their lives and talents in service to our nation during the 30 years you claim to have worked for the CIA.

On 2 Sep 07, referring to the alleged "number of the general officers and current and/or retired CIA personnel" you wrote:   "I believe that their knowledge of me and current operations is a bit more credible than yours would be, considering you base your 'judgments' on 'one of his friends'.

Mr. Haas, I don't know the person to whom you addressed the foregoing comments, but I have more than forty years experience in various intelligence assignments and disciplines at home and abroad.

Based on my experience, I believe you are a fraud.  However, I will happily reconsider my opinion if you can provide verifiably accurate answers to the questions I posed above.

Vo Danh

To the Editors of the VVA:

Was there an error made on Mr. Jerry L. Habeck's birthday year? You stated 11 November 1956

We pulled out troops from Vietnam in March 1973. Mr. Habeck would have been 16 years old in March 1973.

Are you saying he fought in Vietnam at the age of 16?

Thank you.

LTC (Retired) Pat Maness
US Army
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He served April 8 74 to May 21 85. Discharged Army, Spec 5.  Served in GERMANY.
Only award noted is ARCOM for 1981.

09/2005

10/2005

04/2006  

10/2007

06/2008

10/2008

11/2008

Petersburg /Hopewell Va - He hangs out at the Infusion  Europa  Blackfin  nightclubs on the weekend

Ft Hood area

Read the story

http://www.slate.com/id/2381/sidebar/51012/

http://www.slate.com/id/2381/sidebar/51014/

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Claims he is 2nd from the right - the man with the cigarette in his mouth.

CLAIMING PURPLE HEART(S)
VFW - EXPOSED

Stephen Hall,  (real name?) aka Steve Austin (current name?) aka Bioniq MC (stage name: hip-hop artist/rapper)

Claims being a Recon Marine.  Made SSgt in 4 yrs, etc.

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2007/04/marine_austin_bioniq_070419/

Corps questions rapper on alleged Marine past

Budding Dallas-based hip-hop artist and Billboard Music chart topper Steve Austin says a lot of things in his past have shaped his “banging beats,” most notably his time in the Marine Corps.

With the April 24 release of his new album, “800 LB Gorilla,” it’s a subject the former staff sergeant, who now is known as the Bioniq MC, was only too happy to talk about with Marine Corps Times. “My music is a mirror image of my soul and the life experiences I have gone through,” he said in a press release sent to this newspaper, offering to speak “about how being in the Marines influenced” his music.

He said he was inspired to join the Corps by two uncles who were leathernecks — one killed in action, the other wounded — and a need for some grounding in his young adult life, the self-proclaimed high school valedictorian said in a recent telephone interview.

“I had a lot of abilities and succeeded at a lot of things, but when adversity would come, I would often take the easy road out,” said Austin, whose real name is Stephen Hall, according to the New York-based American Society of Composers, Artists and Publishers.

The only problem is, the Marine Corps has never heard of him.

A search of Corps personnel records based on his real name, given service dates and ethnicity, turned up dry, according to one Marine official. “No one matches the Stephen Hall with whom you’ve spoken,” he said. A representative of the National Personnel Center in St. Louis — the clearinghouse of service records for all services — also found no record of the singer’s time in the Corps, or in any other service.

After the initial phone interview, Marine Corps Times made numerous attempts to contact the performer through his publicist for clarification about his claimed prior service — all of which went unanswered. Austin refused to provide any information that would substantiate his claim or assist in a military record search, such as his date of birth, the date he entered service, where he went to boot camp or the last four digits of his Social Security number.

In addition to that, Austin’s story could not be substantiated with the unit he claimed to serve with, 4th Reconnaissance Battalion. First Sgt. Carlos Sepeda, who has been with the unit for more than a decade, could find no record of Austin.

Sepeda added that Austin’s claimed rank would have been difficult to achieve after four years in the active duty, which is what Austin claimed. “It would be hard; I’ve never seen it,” he said. “Most staff sergeants have eight or more years before they’re in the zone.”

During the phone interview, Austin said his tenure as a Marine was “four and four,” referring to four years’ active duty, followed by four years in the Individual Ready Reserve. He said got out of the Corps in 2000 as an “E-6.”

When asked about his prior Corps service, Austin quickly parroted the recon mantra: “swift, silent and deadly.” While he was shy about giving much detail about his duties there, he did say he was a war veteran and served with his unit in Saudi Arabia during Operation Desert Storm in 1991.

He said he decided to go recon because of the challenge, he said. “I’m going to go where they need the highest scores, the most fitness. I’ve always been driven to do the best. It gave me fortitude. I knew when I went in and got out that I could do anything.”

In the meantime, his career has been on the rise. His new single, “Bussa Move,” is listed as No. 8 on Billboard’s R&B Hip-Hop Single Sales. The Dallas Observer has dubbed him the city’s Rapper of the Year.

Sepeda, the first sergeant, said he was concerned at the idea of someone masquerading as a former recon Marine.

“We take the Marine Corps very seriously, especially the recon family,” he said. “For someone to say they were there” — and not be — “it’s very disturbing.”

All of this within a year from 15 June 1974 to 17 June 1975 during Operation Golden Eagle. 

Aiken Standard
"... Hammons is charged with Violation of the Oath of Membership of the Marine Corps League. The letter alleges that he "did present a DD-214 for proof of service that was not valid."  The DD-214 is a form issued by the Department of the Defense, showing the date of a serviceman's discharge and whether the discharge was honorable or not.

The second charge against Hammons is Violation of Oath of Office, which alleges he was pictured on the state Marine Corps League website wearing a staff sergeant's uniform with a Bronze Star Medal with a single star. According to the charges, "this is fraud given the contents of your DD-214, which indicated that you were a private when discharged, having never been awarded a Bronze Star."

The final charge is Conduct Unbecoming a Member or Officer of the Marine Corps League, alleging that Hammons asked a representative of the Chapel of the Four Chaplains, a Philadelphia-based foundation, to re-type and sign a letter Hammons had written to recommend him for re-election as State Commandant.

"We do our own investigation. It's done thoroughly, and it's done fairly,"  Voltaggio said.

Hammons, meanwhile, maintains that the allegations are part of an orchestrated attempt to discredit him on the eve of the state Marine Corps League convention, when he was to offer for re-election as State Commandant. Instead, he has stepped down from that post and will not be allowed to attend this weekend's convention in Greenville.

"That's why all this stuff is coming down from National because they want to make me look as bad as they possibly can," Hammons said. ....."

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http://www.legacy.com/Charlotte/DeathNotices.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonId=19724742

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no medals, no pilot, no SEAL yet his obit is what will stand through time

RD

aka B.C. Hargrove
aka Bob Hargrove

Los Angeles, 
CA

NO records could be located at the St. Louis records center.

Hollywood Producer
http://imdb.com/name/nm0362986/

In 1984, Sen. Barry Goldwater wrote to the Des Moines Register saying, "I have seen the Navy record of Mr. Harkin, which is in the public domain, and there's nothing to indicate he ever flew in combat, or even in Vietnam. In fact, the only decoration he lists is the National Defense Service Medal, which was awarded to everyone who served his country during a given period of time."

Tom Harkin was fascinated by the military. In 1979, he suggested in the Congressional Record that our national defense should include floating MX missiles on barges on the Mississippi, solar-powered cruise missiles and coal powered attack submarines.

And "Ace" Harkin claimed that he had never bombed.
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THE BOGUS APOLOGY

Harrelson, Edward A.

Businessman: Military service statements false

 Documents show conflicts between claims and truth made by Gary Harris.

By JEFF M. HARDISON
jhardison@lakecityreporter.com

Harvell, Harvey W. Jr.

aka "Country"

He also said his DD-214 is being kept at his older brother's house, so he couldn't show it.  He also said he had a IV-A selective service designation when he got drafted.  

Class IV-A:
Registrant with sufficient prior active service or who is a sole surviving son.

He has the routine of a traumatized war veteran down pat.  He tells people of his friend who died in his arms and is very convincing, even shedding tears during bouts of his "PTSD flashbacks"..... drunk, raving, and crying.  

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His older brother said he'd never even served in the military, much less in Vietnam and there is no DD-214.  "There should be a special place in Hell reserved especially for the phonies feeding off the misery or honor of others."

Oklahoma Department of Corrections website -  Birth Date: 09/17/1954 ...... OCDC # 477906
http://docapp8.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=477906&offender
_book_id=279186&imageindex=5     
DON'T MISS THE PHOTOS!!

quote:

If the name you provided is spelled correctly, I do NOT find a listing in the SEAL database for anyone named GERALD CURTIS SHAPRUT. Be aware that I have also examined possible alternate spellings, and names with similar pronunciations.

Unless he has undertaken the unlikely action of a legal name change (an action for which there would be court documentation) since his claimed service with the SEAL Teams, and based upon the information you have provided, I can state conclusively that GERALD CURTIS SHAPRUT has NEVER completed SEAL training, and he is not now, nor was he ever a US Navy SEAL or UDT “Frogman”. Please be aware that the SEAL database includes the names of all men who served with the Underwater Demolition Teams (“Frogmen”). Since 1983 when the UDTs were all re-commissioned as SEAL Teams it has been the convention within the Naval Special Warfare community to use the modern term “SEAL” when referring to all men who ever served in any of the SEAL ‘precursor’ units.

The guy is using at least two (2) identities (although Gerald Curtis Sharput is his legal name)… and has apparently used more.

Very respectfully,

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http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/vae/Pressreleases/04-AprilPDFArchive/07/20070417hayesnr.pdf

EXPOSED AND CHARGED

CLAIMING COMBAT STATUS

Johnstown plans Veterans Day parade

JOHNSTOWN - The Johnstown Veterans Day program will take place at 11 a.m. Nov. 11 at the Charles Jenner Bandshell on West Main Street.

The program will begin after all church bells have sounded.

The Parade Committee's Veteran's Day Program will consist of the following events and participants:

Master Chief Storekeeper John B. Morris will be the master of ceremonies.

The American Legion Post 472, the Johnstown Police Department Honor Guard and the Johnstown Fire Department will serve as color guards.

Dr. Earl Johnson of the First Presbyterian Church will deliver the invocation.

Johnstown Fire Chief Bruce Heberer, U.S. Navy, will lead the pledge of allegiance.

The Johnstown High School Marching Band will perform the National Anthem.

A moment of silence will be observed for deceased veterans.

Mayor Sarah Slingerland will speak and the Johnstown High School Chamber Choir will perform.

Assistant Fire Chief Michael Heberer, U.S. Navy Seals, and firefighter Kirk Horan, U.S. Coast Guard, will present the wreath.

Johnson will give the benediction and the Johnstown Police Department Honor Guard will fire a three-shot salute.

Marching Band members Eric Achzet and Sarah Harris will perform taps.

Called and alerted the CITY DESK EDITOR for the Leader-Herald to the fact that Assistant Fire Chief MICHAEL HEBERER was/is not a SEAL.

No correction noted yet (12/08/2008)

Steve Robinson

ACTUAL RECORDS

Claims Army Warrant Officer, helicopter pilot, assigned to SEAL TEAM Nam 65-66 and 70's. POW for 10 days after SEAL team insertion/chopper shot down. Rescued by USMC 2/5.

aka Hendrix, Richard Garl

Claims to have been in Special Forces, wounded so badly that he was in a body bag and because his last name was Hendricks, a black service man opened the body bag he was in and saw his hand move, saving his life.

Claims retired Colonel.  Claims Purple Heart.  He claims to have been in the Kentucky National Guard. 

Actual Records

"To the astonishment of many of our chapter members Mr. Hennis went on to state that anyone can wear any medal of the armed forces whenever and however they felt like it. Mr. Hennis even went on to state that he wore the Congressional Medal of Honor upon his jacket and had photographs to prove it. He even displayed the photographs .... in front of all in attendance. Mr. Hennis then stated, “There isn’t anything wrong with it either.” When told  “Sir I disagree with you it is a violation of Federal Law!”  he replied, “We won’t go there.”

Hennis was a supply clerk. E-7 at discharge.

NO MOH and NO Purple Heart.  NO Vietnam service.

Friend of above noted  (exposed fraud) WALTER SAMS.

Photo:  http://www.dav.org/MEMBERSHIP/index.html

deceased

WAUKESHA - Trino Hernandez, 80, of Waukesha, was promoted to glory Sunday, Jan. 6, 2002, after a 10-year battle with Alzheimer’s disease.

Trino served as a decorated Private First Class in World War II, having been awarded the Medal of Honor  the Good Conduct Medal and the Victory Medal He was employed at International Harvester for 33 years before retiring in 1977. Trino was an avid bowler and a dedicated volunteer, having delivered for Meals on Wheels for eight years. He was a life member of Soat-Vergenz Veterans of Foreign Wars Post No.721.......

......Friends may call from 4 p.m. to 8 p.m. today, Jan. 8, at the Randle-Dable Funeral Home, 1110 S. Grand Ave. There will be a VFW service at 6:15 p.m., followed by a 6:30 p.m. parish vigil service. Services continue Wednesday, with closing prayers at 9:30 a.m. at the funeral home and then to St. Joseph’s Catholic Church for a 10 a.m. Mass of Christian burial. Burial with military honors will follow at St. Joseph’s Cemetery. Memorials to the Alzheimer’s Association or to the Wisconsin Veteran’s Home, Highway QQ, King, WI 54946, would be appreciated.

Trino’s family would like to extend their greatest appreciation to the staff at the Wisconsin Veteran’s Home in King, where Trino had been residing for the past eight years. The care Trino received was exemplary and the staff is to be commended for their compassion and caring attitude....

Herring, Charles Ferguson 

He does wear his Navy jacket at our Remembrance Day services along with rank insignia, wings, and miniature medals.  Also seen a photo of him in "whites" full dress.  

He was with a sheriff's dept. that put him right on the SWAT team, sniper and all.  He still has that gun and badge.

Multiple reports through 2004

  THE STORY

DD214

Military records

From the Mrs.

DECEASED 11/2009 - FAMILY STATES HE WILL HAVE A 21 GUN SALUTE AND SHOULD NO LONGER BE POSTED HERE.

10/30/04: Please note that Brad Hieatt is no longer a member of Rolling Thunder.  He was removed from membership of Tennessee Chapter 3

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Posts on FreeRepublic.com

Claims to be a former Ranger class 13-87. Claims to have fought in the Battle of Mogadishu.

His profile can be found here. http://www.freerepublic.com/~speedaddiction/

Class picture is found here: https://www-benning.army.mil/rtb/ranger/photo/13-87.jpg

He claims:  "There are two black guys right behind the class sign. Go up three from the black guy on the right and over one to the right. 
I am in the olive drab jungle fatigues."

REAL RECORDS:  http://mysite.verizon.net/res6rexj/busted/

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?id=178708

That letter was dated 18 July 2006; however, he continued to write lies about his military record after providing you with this letter of apology.  In the following posts as Speed_Addiction on the Cycleforums website.

“I already put my time in the Army, Dude. I was in Iraq the FIRST time we went there.”
09-12-2006 01:20 PM

[And then with regard to PFC Tillman being killed by friendly fire] "In a confusing situation like that, Rangers identify themselves by shouting, "Rangers!" or "Rangers Ho!" 11-09-2006 05:50 PM

In the first post he claims to have been a Desert Storm veteran, which is a lie according to his DD-214, and his own admission.  In the second post he is attempting to pass as someone knowledgeable about Ranger combat operations, without actually saying he's a Ranger.  This is a violation of the spirit of the agreement not to post lies about his military record, especially coming from someone who was court-martialed and then dishonorably discharged.  The details about his deceit can be seen at the attached web site.

http://www.cycleforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=263509&perpage=20&pagenumber=1

Here we go again:
http://www.thejournalnet.com/Main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=113&ArticleID=49703

"His" uniforms and misc memorabilia are prominently displayed at the Indiana World War Memorial Museum in Indianapolis.

Member of Florida AL Post 272
Claims Army 64-67, 
Claims to have been a tunnel rat
Claims CIB, Silver Star, 2 Purple Hearts
Claims Special Forces
Claims worked in the Pentagon

Actual Records 

James m Holben
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Military.com member since 2002
Service: Marine Corps
Status: Retired Military
Rank: E-5
Location: OH , US
Bio: not available
Interests: not available
Conflicts & Operations: not available

He claims to have served 28 years in the Marines. He claims 2 tours in Vietnam. He claims 2 Purple Heart among other decorations.  
No way he could have served 2 toured in Vietnam at his age. He also states that he served in the 1st Gulf war.

ACTUAL MILITARY RECORDS

EXPOSED 
on myfoxcleveland.com 02/26/2007
http://www.myfoxcleveland.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail
?contentId=2507331&version=1&locale=EN-US&
layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.1.1

08/2005

QUESTION EVERYTHING !!

Overview of the Problem citing past cases: http://nwanews.com/bcdr/News/72972/

Gibson: http://nwanews.com/bcdr/News/72970/

Holland (with Photo): http://nwanews.com/bcdr/News/72971/

Both Men: http://nwanews.com/bcdr/News/72954/

FBI Sidebar: http://nwanews.com/bcdr/News/72956/

QUESTION EVERYTHING !!!

....If the name you provided is spelled correctly, I do NOT find a listing in the SEAL Database (end of WWII to the Present Day) for anyone named CHRISTOPHER “CHRIS” HOLMES. I have also examined possible alternate spellings, and names with similar pronunciations without finding any that might be applicable. There are nine (9) men listed in the SEAL Database with the last name HOLMES; none of those men has either a first or middle name “CHRIS” or “CHRISTOPHER” or any variant thereof.

Unless he has undertaken the unlikely action of a legal name change (an action for which there would be evidence in the form of court documentation) since his claimed attendance at BUD/S training, and based upon the information you have provided, I can state conclusively that CHRISTOPHER “CHRIS” HOLMES has NEVER COMPLETED SEAL training, and he is not now, nor was he ever a Navy SEAL or a Navy UDT “Frogman”.

When members of the Naval Special Warfare community meet others who claim similar service, but whom they do not recognize, there is a conversational exchange of information that establishes the bona fides of each to the other. There is no set formula for this exchange, nor for the information that is exchanged, but it ALWAYS takes place, and the REAL Naval Special Warfare members can ALWAYS spot a phony as a result of this exchange. If you have an opportunity to speak with the man at some point in the future, I might suggest that you to ask Mr. HOLMES these questions:

(1) Since there is no listing in the SEAL Database for the name you are currently using, WHAT NAME DID YOU USE during SEAL training?

(2) Where did his training take place? (NB: Training has been conducted at several locations over the years; different portions in different places)

(3) When did he graduate from Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL (BUD/S) training? (i.e. a specific graduation DATE)

There are many other questions which could be asked to further establish the level of veracity or untruth regarding his claims, such as asking for the names of other members of his graduating class, but those basic questions are absolutes. While the answers to those questions are totally UNCLASSIFIED, and every real SEAL will gladly provide that substantiating information upon request, Mr. HOLMES will very likely insist that the information is either classified or sensitive and cannot be provided.

I might suggest that you also ask Mr. HOLMES to specifically identify WHICH SEAL Team(s) he served on, and when. I am in direct contact with several hundred of my SEAL Teammates whose collective experience covers virtually all time periods from the Korean War to the present; I can quickly contact those individuals to verify any specific names, events, or other claims offered by Mr. HOLMES. If he feels that his name has somehow been mistakenly omitted from the SEAL records, I’d be pleased to speak with him and hear details of his service which would serve to validate his claims. The Director of the Naval Special Warfare Archives – a close personal friend and SEAL Teammate – is only a phone call away and standing by to amend the records if this is ever found to be true. However, I estimate that I’ve made the same offer to more than 5,000 SEAL imposters in the last eight years, and none of them ever turned out to be a valid SEAL.

No one gets to the SEAL Teams without first completing BUD/S Training. There are records of every man who has qualified for the title of “SEAL”; there have been and will continue to be secret missions, but there are NO secret SEALs… we know them all.

As Mr. HOLMES has specifically identified a BUD/S Training class by number – 224 – then there is a strong likelihood that he actually was involved in training with that class and was either washed out for failure to meet performance qualifications, or voluntarily quit. If that is the case, then he would have a good bit of “insider” information which would make his stories more credible to uninformed listeners. The true test is to ask him for the SPECIFIC GRADUATION DAY/DATE for the class, and the NAMES AND SKILL RATINGS of three (3) of his classmates who were standing tall for that graduation. When a man is washed out of BUD/S or voluntarily quits, he is removed from the training area immediately and berthed at a physically distant location on the main NAB base, and he is transferred to another command within a matter of 2 or 3 days… often within 24 hours of leaving the BUD/S compound. From that point on it is highly unlikely that he will have any direct contact with those who are still in training or know when training specifically ends (i.e. day of the week, day of the month, etc) and extremely unlikely that he will know the names of all those who remained in the class as opposed to others who subsequently left of their own accord or were washed out of the class after his departure. As I stated above, Mr. HOLMES’ name is NOT among those listed on the roster of successful BUD/S graduates. ...

Thank you again for your concern in this matter, and for your assistance in upholding the honor of the US Navy SEAL Teams. Depending on the specifics of his actions and claims, Mr. HOLMES may have crossed the line from braggadocio and may also be prosecutable under the STOLEN VALOR ACT of 2005. ...

Respectfully,

Steve Robinson RM2(SEAL)
USN 1970-1978
SEAL Team ONE
Inshore Undersea Warfare Group ONE
UDT-SEAL Association - Member
Special Operations Association - Member
POW Network Board of Directors
Naval Special Warfare Archives - SOF
Analyst/Contributing Journalist
Disabled American Veterans - Life Member
FORMER Special Investigator - SEAL Authentication Team
CyberSEALs.org - Webmaster
Author - NO GUTS, NO GLORY - Unmasking Navy SEAL Imposters

VFW Post Commander

To Whom It May Concern:
I greatly appreciate your interest in upholding the honor of the US Navy SEAL Teams, and your search for the TRUTH. Before answering your questions I must make clear that I am a private individual, not affiliated with the US Dept. of Defense or any other government organization. I am one of about a dozen men in America who possess a copy of the SEAL Database, a comprehensive and regularly updated listing of all men who trained and served with the Naval Special Warfare units (SEALs, UDT, NCDU, S&R) from the end of WWII to the present day. I also have access to archival sources who can verify/deny claims of service DURING WWII. As a former US Navy SEAL myself, I am fully familiar with the NSW training program and the standard operating procedures used by the Teams, as well as an in-depth personal knowledge of many of the ‘insider’ events and incidents which UDT “Frogmen” and SEALs offer as a part of their bona fides. My efforts to expose SEAL imposters are performed free of charge, as a service to the public, and in honor of my SEAL Teammates who gave their lives in service to our nation… men who truly earned the right to the title “US NAVY SEAL” but who are no longer able to stand forward in defense of their honor, their reputations, and their TEAMs.
 
If the name you provided is spelled correctly, I do NOT find a listing in the SEAL database of successful graduates for anyone named WILLIAM S. HORTON. I have also examined possible alternate spellings, and names with similar pronunciations. There are only four (4) men with the last name HORTON listed in the entirety of the SEAL Database (end of WWII to the Present Day); none of those men has the first name WILLIAM or the middle initial “S”.
 
Unless he has undertaken the unlikely action of a legal name change (an action for which there would be court documentation) since his claimed attendance at BUD/S training, and based upon the information you have provided, I can state conclusively that WILLIAM S. HORTON has NEVER COMPLETED SEAL training, and he is not now, nor was he ever a Navy SEAL...

Very Respectfully,
Steve Robinson
USN 1970-1978
SEAL Team ONE
Inshore Undersea Warfare Group ONE
UDT-SEAL Association - Member
Special Operations Association - Member
POW Network Advisory Board
Naval Special Warfare Archives - SOF Analyst/Contributing Journalist
Disabled American Veterans - Life Member
FORMER Special Investigator - SEAL Authentication Team
Author of the book NO GUTS, NO GLORY - Unmasking Navy SEAL Imposters

Never a SEAL.

Served June 19, 1959 - Aug 3, 1967
Awards: Good Conduct; National Defense; Armed Forces Exp (Cuba)
Rate A03, A02

Claims Special Forces tab.  (He was assigned to an SF unit for a while, completed 2 weeks of SFAS and was a medical drop.  Never completed SFQC.)

Claims Military Freefall Parachutist badge. (Had a slot to the course but was a no-show.)

Claims Master Parachutist Badge.  (Graduated from the Airborne course and the Jumpmaster course, but was never awarded either the Senior parachutist Badge or the Master Parachutist badge.)

Claims Expert Infantryman Badge.  (No orders were ever found awarding this badge.)

Claims Presidential Unit Citation. (Not sure where he got this.  He was never in combat, and none of the Alaska ARNG units have earned them (to date).)

There were rumors to the effect that he was kicked out of the Army. His last active unit was 1^st Battalion, 501^st PIR, 172^nd Infantry Brigade, Fort Richardson , Alaska . When he was exposed, his security clearance was pulled, and he was kicked out (of the Army National Guard)

Rumor now is that he is employed by the US Coast Guard in Anchorage as a security specialist!

 THE FOUNDER OF SCIENTOLOGY
From the Scientology Website:

"What is Scientology?
Based on the Works of L. Ron Hubbard
L. RON HUBBARD: THE FOUNDER OF SCIENTOLOGY
When the US entered World War II, Mr. Hubbard was commissioned as a lieutenant (junior grade) in the US Navy and served as a commander of corvettes. He saw action in both the Atlantic and Pacific, and thoroughly distinguished  himself in the eyes of those who served beneath him. Yet he was not a man who enjoyed war, and having seen enough  killing to last him a lifetime – and the effects of that bloodshed on men’s sanity – he vowed to redouble his efforts to create a saner world. With this same sense of compassion, he also did all he could to safeguard his crews, prompting  one of his men to write:  “I feel I owe you a tremendous debt of gratitude. First for your acquaintance. Secondly because you have portrayed to me  all the attributes of a ‘story book’ naval officer. I can see for myself that you were an officer and a gentleman long before Congress decided so.”  In 1945, left partially blind with injured optic nerves and lame from hip and back injuries, Mr. Hubbard was hospitalized at  Oak Knoll Naval Hospital in Oakland, California. Among the 5,000 naval and Marine Corps patients at Oak Knoll were hundreds of former American prisoners liberated from Japanese camps on South Pacific islands. Many were in terrible condition from starvation and other causes, unable to assimilate protein."
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Subject: What Next?
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:24:33 +0900

How can someone .... keep the organization from constantly publicizing the extremely exaggerated military career of it's deceased founder?  To start at the bottom, the Church of Scientology (CoS) has been using an inflated story of their found Layfette R. Hubbard.  Personally I don't care about what or who they worship.... However CoS Leaders have been using this deception to the unsuspecting  as proof that their founder was an honorable man.  This can be found at
http://www.whatisscientology.org/to/part01/chp03/pg0118.html      http://www.ronthephilosopher.org/page82.htm     and http://www.ronthepoet.org/p_jpg/thewar1.htm

However some excellent research done by a Mr Chris Owen,
http://www.spaink.net/cos/warhero/contents.htm   show that Layfette Hubbard's career is mostly a farce, and the 27 medal he (and the CoS) claim is phoney.  Several people have pointed this out to the CoS, but they have been basically told to get lost (stronger language used)....  These lies are an insult to my fathers memory, who served honorably with the USAF through the Korean War and the Viet Nam War. Any and all ideas welcome, these lies must stop.

MSgt, USAF

07/2009

NY

07/2009

(RMNews Editor: Bob Hunt is a Navy SEAL and covert operative who was instrumental in leaking classified documents to Rodney Stich. These
documents confirmed that the government operatives who came forward and broke their cover to tell the truth, were indeed who they said
they were. Whenever a government covert operative breaks his cover and begins to tell the truth, he/she is either jailed or killed.
Robert Hunt is currently in prison. Others, who are listed on the documents he released are either dead, in prison or in hiding. Robert
Hunt is quoted on p. 10 of the November issue of RMNews. He is discussing a group of programmed assassins that he personally trained
at Camp Perry. When you combine the information he released plus other information on the Pegasus Assassination Unit, you begin to
understand that the men and women who make up these units have all been programmed at least up to Level 3.
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10/2007

Hanoi Jane Fonda