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JOINT TASK FOCE-FUL ACCOUNTING

DETACHMENT TWO/US MIA OFFICE

DOC NGU STREET, HANOI, VIETNAM

OCTOBER 6, 1993

SUBJ:     RE-INTERVIEW OF REQUESTED SOURCE, BUI HUY LIEU

REF: (A) ENTRY NUMBER 57  LIST OF 83 INTERVIEW REQUESTS PRESENTED TO
ACTING FOREGIN MINISTER TRAN QUANG CO, MAY 93

(B)  REPORT OF INTERVIEW, BUI HUY LIEU, DET 2, FEB 93

1.  BACKGROUND.  ON 5 OCTOBER 1993, A JOINT U.S./VIETNAM ORAL HISTORY
INTERVIEW TEAM RE-INTERVIEWED DR. BUI HUY LIEU, A 52 YOA HANOI
RESIDENT.  DR.LIEU IS CURRENTLY HEAD OF THE REHABILITATION
DEPARTMENT AT THE VIETNAMESE/SOVIET FRIENDSHIP HOSPITAL, HANOI.  HE
WAS FORMERLY A MEDIC AND CHIEF OF A CIVILIAN TREATMENT MOBIL FIELD
HOSPITAL IN SONG BE (FORMERLY PHUOC LONG) PROVINCE.  DR. LIEU WAS
PREVIOUSLY INTERVIEWED ON 20 FEBRUARY 1993 AT DET 2 IN HANOI (SEE REF
B).  THE TEAM MET AT THE VIETNAMESE GOVERNMENT GUEST HOUSE,
NUMBER 2 LE THACH STREET, HANOI, TO INTERVIEW DR. LIEU, LISTED IN REF AS
A POTENTIAL SOURCE OF INFORMATION CONCERNING U.S. PERSONNEL MISSING
IN ACTION (MIA) IN VIETNAM.  THE U.S. CONTINGENT CONSISTED OF MR [XXXX]
[XXXX] [XXXX], DET 2 CASUALTY RESOLUTION SPECIALIST, AND TSGT [XXXX]
[XXXX] [XXXX], ORAL HISTORY COORDINATOR.  THE VIETNAMESE CONTIGENT
CONSISTED OF COL LE KY, MINISTRY OF DEFENCE; AND MR. NGUYEN VAN
THANG LOI, MINISTRY OF INTERIOR.

2.  THE SOURCE, DR. BUI HUY LIEU, PROVIDED INFORMATION CONCERNING A
U.S. PRISONER HE TREATED AT HIS FIELD HOSPITAL IN PHUOG LONG PROVINCE
IN 1968 OR 1969.  THIS AMERICAN SUBSEQUENTLY DIED AND WAS BURIED NEAR
THE FIELD HOSPITAL.  THIS INTERVIEW CLARIFIED STATEMENTS DR. LIEU MADE
DURING A PREVIOUS INTERVIEW (SEE REF B).  THE INFORMATION POSSIBLY
CORRLATES TO CASE 1244 OR 1131.  HE CLAIMED NO KNOWLEDGE OF U.S.
PERSONNEL, LIVING FREELY OR AGAINST THEIR WILL, IN VIETNAM SINCE 1973.

3.  DETAILS.    AFTER BRIEF INTRODUCTORY STATMENTS, THE INTERVIEWER
EXPLAINED THAT THE REASON FOR THE RE-INTERVIEW WAS TO CLEARIFY
SPECIFIC ELEMENTS OF INFORMATION CONCERING DR. LIEU'S EXPERIENCES
WITH A U.S. PW AT THE PHUOC LONG PROVINCIAL HOSPITAL DURING THE WAR. 
THE PRIMARY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS DEALT WITH THE PHYSICAL
DESCRIPTION OF THE U.S. PRISONER, THE HOSPITAL'S SUBORDINATION,
DESIGNATOR, AND LOCATION.  DR. BUI HUY LIEU (BUIF HUY LIEEUJ)
IMMEDIATELY PROFESSED HIS WILLINGNESS TO ANSWER WHATEVER
QUESTIONS THE TEAM HAD.  HE PROVIDED THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION.

A.  TO BEGIN, DR. LIEU EXAMINED A COLLECTION OF TEN ASSORTED 
PHOTOGRAPHS, INCLUDING THOSE OF THE MISSING INDIVIDUALS IN CASES
1131-1-01 AND 1244-0-03.  HE PREFACED HIS CHOICE BY STATING THAT THE
PASSAGE OF TIME AND THE CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH HE TREATED THE U.S.
PRISONER MADE IT EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO CLEARLY REMEMBER THE
PRISONER'S PHYSICAL MAKEUP.  THE AMERICAN HAD A FULL BEARD AND
MUSTACHE, DR. LIEU RECALLED, AND WAS TALL AND THIN; THE HARDSHIPS OF
HIS CRASH AND CAPTIVITY WOULD LIKELY HAVE CAUSED HIS APPEARANCE TO
DIFFER FROM THAT OF A PHOTOGRAPH TAKEN PRIOR TO THE INCIDENT. 
HAVING QUALIFIED HIS CHOICE IN THIS WAY, HE INDICATED THE PHOTOGRAPH
OF THE INDIVIDUAL IN CASE 1131-1-01 MOST CLOSELY RESEMBLED THE U.S. PW
HE TREATED.

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SUBJ:     RE-INTERVIEW OF REQUESTED SOURCE, BUI HUY LIEU

REF: (A)  ENTRY NUMBER 57, LIST OF 83 INTERVIEW REQUESTS PRESENTED TO
ACTING FOREIGN MINISTER TRAN QUANG CO, MAY 93

(B)   REPORT OF INTERVIEW, BUI HUY LIEU, DET 2, FEB 93

B.  DR. LIEU DID NOT KNOW HOW LONG THE AMERICAN HAD BEEN IMPRISONED
PRIOR TO COMING TO THE HOSPITAL, BUT SAID HIS WEAKNESS AND THINNESS
SUGGESTED HE HAD EITHER BEEN IMPRISONED OR EVADING FOR SOME TIME. 
THE PRISONER HAD A CUT IN THE CENTER OF HIS UPPER LIP WHICH WAS
COVERED IN CONGEALED BLOOD, A SIGN THAT IT HAD BEEN RELATIVELY
RECENTLY INCURRED.  THE AMERICAN HAD A BROKEN LEG, BUT THE
FRACTURE WAS NOT COMPOUND AND THERE WAS NO BLOOD ON THE LEG.  DR.
LIEU SAID THAT HE BELIEVED IT WAS THE AMERICAN'S LEFT THIGH THAT WAS
BROKEN, BUT COULD NOT SAY FOR CERTAIN.  AS FOR HIS AGE, DR. LIEU
STATED THAT, IN ADDITION TO THE FACT THAT IT WAS DIFFICULT FOR HIM TO
JUDGE THE AGE OF AMERICANS IN ANY CASE, THE PRISONER'S DISTRAUGHT
PHYSICAL CONDITION MADE IT DOUBLY DIFFICULT TO JUDGE.  HE REITERATED
HIS ESTIMATED FROM THE PREVIOUS INTERVIEW THAT THE AMERICAN WAS AS
OLD AS 35 YEARS, BUT NOT OLDER.  HE DID NOT DISCOUNT THE POSSIBILITY
THAT HE WAS YOUNGER THAN 35 YOA.

C.  THE FIELD HOSPITAL AT WHICH DR. LIEU TREATED THE U.S. PRISONER WAS
CALLED THE PHUOC LONG CIVILIAN SECTION HOSPITAL (BEENHJ VIEENJ BAN
ZAAN Y PHWOCS LONG) AND LATER THE PHUOC LONG MILITARY HOSPITAL
SECTION HOSPITAL (BEENHJ VIEENJ BAN QUAAN Y PHWOCS LONG).  DURING HIS
TENURE AT THE FACILITY, FROM 1965 TO 1975.  THE PROVNCE WAS RE-
DESIGNED FOUR TIMES AS FOLLOWS:  AREA 6 (KHU SAUS), AREA 10 (KHU
MWOIF), PHUOC LONG, AND BINH LONG.  AT THE TIME OF THE INCIDENT, THE
PROVINCE NAME WAS PHUOC LONG.  THE FACILITY WAS IN WHAT WAS THEN
PHUOC BINH DISTRICT (AKA K17).  THE HOSPITAL MOVED FREQUENTLY, UP TO
FIVE TIMES A YEAR, BUT WAS ALWAYS UNDER THE CIVILIAN ADMINISTRATION
OF THE PROVINCE.  HE COULD PROVIDE NO SPECIFIC INFORMATION ON
EXACTLY WHEN THE FACILITY RELOCATED.

D.  THE FACILITY WAS SITUATED NEAR THE RAT STREAM (SHOOIS RATS OR DAK
RAT - SEE MAP SHEET L7014 6332 II), GENERALLY WEST OF THE PHUOC BINH
DISTRICT SEAT (48P YU 144 078) AND BA RA MOUNTAIN (NUIS BAF RAS)  (48P YU
183 068).  DR. LIEU COULD NOT INDICATE A SPECIFIC SITE LOCATION ON THE
MAP WITH ANY GRATER ACCURACY THAN HE HAD DURING THE PREVIOUS
INTERVIEW.  HE DID, HOWEVER, STATE THE LOCATIONS INDICATED BY OTHER
WITNESSES, INCLUDING MR. THANH A (INTERVIEWED DURING THE 22ND JFA)
AND MR. NGHIEN (INTERVIEWED DURING THE 6TH, 16TH, 20TH AND 22ND JFA'S),
WERE NOT THE LOCATION OF THE PHUOC LONG CIVILIAN HOSPITAL.  THE
LOCATIONS INDICATED BY THESE WITNESSES, HE STATED EMPHATICALLY,
WERE IN BU DANG DISTRICT (AKA K29) AND NOT IN PHUOC LONG (K17). 
THEREFORE, HE REASONED, THESE WITNESSES HAD DESCRIBED A DIFFERENT
INCIDENT.  HE ALSO SAID MR. TRAN HA HA (INTERVIEWED DURING THE 22ND
JFA) HAD WORKED WITH K29 AND NOT K17.

E.  HE STATED THAT MRS. LE THI MINH YEN HAD BEEN AT THE PHUOC LONG
HOSPITA; DURING THE INCIDENT.  HE BELIEVED THE BEST WAY TO DETERMINE
THE TRUE BURIAL LOCATION WOULD BE TO ARRANGE A MEETING BETWEEN
HIMSELF, YEN, AND A MR. BONG, WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE BURIAL.  THE
PARTICIPANTS COULD THEN AGREE ON A COMPOSITE IDEA OF THE LOCATION. 
DR. LIEU OFFERED TO ATTEMPT TO LEAD A JOINT TEAM TO THE SITE AT ANY
TIME.

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SUBJ:     RE-INTERVIEW OF REQUESTED SOURCE, BUI HUY LIEU

REF: (A)  ENTRY NUMBER 57, LIST OF 83 INTERVIEW REQUESTS PRESENTED TO
ACTING FOREIGN MINSTER TRAN QUANG CO, MAY 93

(B)   REPORT OF INTERVIEW, BUI HUY LIEU, DET 2, FEB 93

4.  CORRELATIONS TO EXISTING PW/MIA CASES.  THIS INFORMATION POSSIBLY
CORRELATES EITHER TO CASE 1131 OR 1244.  FURTHER ANALYSIS IS REQUIRED
TO DRAW POSITIVE CORRELATIONS.

5.  POTENTIAL LEADS.

A.   A MEETING BETWEEN DR. BUI HUY LIEU, MRS. LE THI MINH YEN, AND MR.
BONG MAY HELP TO LOCATE THE PHUOC LONG CIVILIAN HOSPITAL SITE AND
BURIAL OF AN AMERICAN PW WHO DIED THERE.

B.   DR. LIEU STATED THAT SOURCES UT MINH (UTS MINH) AND TRAN HONG
THANH (TRAANF HOONGF THANH) (INTERVIEWED DURING THE 22ND JFA) WERE
NOT INVOLVED IN THE DEATH OF THE AMERICAN AT THE PHUOC LONG
MEDICAL FACILITY.  THESE TWO INDIVIDUALS WORKED EXCULSIVELY TO A
CASE OTHER THAN THE ONE WITH WHICH DR. LIEU IS FIMILIAR.

6.  MATERIAL EVIDENCE.   NONE

7.   COMMENTS.

A.   DR. BUI HUY LIEU PRESENTED HIS STATEMENTS IN A STRAIGHTFOWARD,
RELAXED MANNER WITH NO SIGNS OF COACHING.  HE WAS EAGER TO ASSIST
THE TEAM, AND HIS MEMORIES OF THE INCIDENT SEEMED SURPRISINGLY
CLEAR DESPITE THE PASSAGE OF TIME.  ASSESS THIS SOURCE'S RELIABILITY TO
BE GOOD.

B.   DR. LIEU SAID HE HAD TRIED VERY HARD TO REMEMBER ADDITIONAL
DETAILS SINCE HIS INITIAL INTERVIEW AT DET 2 IN FEBRUARY 1993.  HE ASKED
THAT IF THE U.S. SIDE HAD ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, TO CONTACT HIM
THROUGH THE VNOSMP ORAL HISTORY TEAM.  DR. LIEU REITERATED THAT HE
WAS MORE THAN WILLING TO ASSIST THE JOINT TEAM IN WHATEVER MANNER
POSSIBLE.

C.   REQUEST THE VNOSMP MAKE DR. BUI HUY LIEU AVAILABLE FOR RE-
INTERVIEW IF NECESSARY.

                                        (signed KEITH GARY FLANAGAN)
                                        FOR JOHN C. CRAY
                                        LTC     USA
                                        COMMANDER