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SUBJ/INTERVIEW OF REQUESTED SOURCE, NGUYEN HONG SON AKA NGUYEN
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AMPN/SUBJ: ENTRY NUMBER 68 (D), LIST OF 83 INTERVIEW REQUESTS//

RMKS/1. BACKGROUND. ON 20 OCTOBER 1993,  A JOINT U.S./VIETNAM ORAL
HISTORY PROGRAM INTERVIEW TEAM INTERVIEWED RETIRED SENIOR LIEUTENANT
NGUYEN HONG SON AKA NGUYEN HONG HAI, A 66 YOA TRUC HUNG VILLAGE, HAI HAU
DISTRICT, NAM HA PROVINCE RESIDENT. MR. SON IS CURRENTLY RETIRED AND
HOLDS NO OFFICIAL POSITION. MR. SON BEGAN HIS MILITARY CAREER AS A
POLITICAL OFFICER IN 1965 AND WAS ASSIGNED AS POLITICAL OFFICER AT
HOSPITAL GK38, PAVN 2ND DIVISION (DIV). THE TEAM MET AT THE NAM HA
PROVINCIAL PEOPLE'S COMMITTEE HEADQUARTERS IN NAM DINH CITY, HAI HAU
DISTRICT, NAM HA PROVINCE,  TO INTERVIEW MR. SON, LISTED IN REFERENCE AS
A POTENTIAL SOURCE OF INFORMATION CONCERNING U.S. PERSONNEL MISSING  IN
ACTION IN VIETNAM. THE U.S. CONTINGENT CONSISTED OF TSGT
[XXXX][XXXX][XXXX], DET 2 ORAL HISTORY PROGRAM COORDINATOR; AND SSGT
[XXXX][XXXX][XXXX], JTF-FA ANALYST/LINGUIST. THE VIETNAMESE CENTRAL
GOVERNMENT  CONTINGENT CONSISTED OF COL LE KY, MINISTRY OF DEFENSE; AND
MR. NGUYEN VAN THANG LOI,  MINISTRY OF INTERIOR. MR. SON HAD NOT BEEN
INTERVIEWED BY A JOINT TEAM BEFORE.

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2. SUMMARY. THE SOURCE, MR. NGUYEN HONG SON, PROVIDED A SUMMARY OF HIS
ACTIVITIES AS A POLITICAL OFFICER AT HOSPITAL GK38,  PAVN 2ND DIV, AND
HIS ASSOCIATION WITH AN AMERICAN PRISONER OF WAR (PW) TREATED AT THE
HOSPITAL. THE AMERICAN, DESCRIBED AS "DARK SKINNED BUT NOT BLACK" WAS
TREATED AT THE HOSPITAL DURING THE SUMMER OF 1966 OR 1967 FOR A WOUND TO
THE BUTTOCKS. FOLLOWING HIS TREATMENT, THE AMERICAN WAS TRANSFERRED FROM
THE HOSPITAL TO AN UNSPECIFIED LOCATION AND SUBSEQUENTLY RELEASED AND
REPATRIATED TO THE UNITED STATES. THIS INFORMATION PROBABLY CORRELATES
TO CASE 0678-1-02, A RESOLVED CASE. MR. SON DID NOT MEET ANY OTHER
AMERICANS AT THE HOSPITAL NOR DID HE KNOW OF ANY OTHER AMERICANS BEING
HELD IN THE AREA. MR. SON CLAIMED NO KNOWLEDGE OF U.S. PERSONNEL, LIVING
FREELY OR AGAINST THEIR WILL, IN VIETNAM SINCE 1973.

3. DETAILS.
    A. AFTER FORMAL INTRODUCTIONS, COL LE KY EXPLAINED THE JOINT
TEAM'S PURPOSE. THE SOURCE PROVIDE THE TEAM WITH THE FOLLOWING
INFORMATION:
    B. MR NGUYEN HONG SON (NGUYEENX HOONGF SOWN) BEGAN WORKING AT
HOSPITAL GK38, PAVN 2ND DIV, DURING 1967. APPROXIMATELY 50 TO 60
PERSONNEL WERE STATIONED AT THE HOSPITAL AND THE HOSPITAL ITSELF WAS
MOBILE, MOVING ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS.
   C. DURING AN UNSPECIFIED DATE IN THE SUMMER OF 1966 OR 1967, AN
AMERICAN WAS BROUGHT INTO THE HOSPITAL WITH A WOUND TO THE BUTTOCKS. THE
WOUND WAS SERIOUS BUT TREATABLE, AND HAD BEEN INCURRED IN A BATTLE
BETWEEN U.S. MARINE FORCES AND AN UNRECALLED VIETNAMESE FORCE. THE BUILD
OF THE AMERICAN WAS SHORT  AND STOCKY, AND HE WAS DARK SKINNED BUT NOT
BLACK. WHEN ASKED IF  HE KNEW THE RACE OF THE AMERICAN PW, THE SOURCE
SAID HE DID NOT. HE ESTIMATED THE AGE OF THE AMERICAN PW TO BE 27 YOA.
THE AMERICAN WAS WEARING A TIGER STRIPED FATIGUE UNIFORM WHICH HE WORE
THE ENTIRE TIME OF HIS CAPTIVITY. ALTHOUGH THE UNIFORM HAD A SHOULDER
PATCH AND A NAME TAG, MR. SON COULD NOT REMEMBER ANY DETAILS CONCERNING
THEM' NOR COULD HE REMEMBER THE AMERICAN'S NAME. TO THE BEST OF HIS
KNOWLEDGE, THE AMERICAN WAS NOT WEARING DOG TAGS OR CARRYING ANY OTHER
IDENTIFYING MEDIA.
   D. ACCORDING TO THE SOURCE, THE AMERICAN DISPLAYED A DIFFICULT
ATTITUDE DURING THE INITIAL STAGE OF HIS CAPTIVITY, ALLEGEDLY CAUSED BY
HIS FEAR OF BEING PUT BACK INTO BATTLE; HOWEVER, HIS ATTITUDE IMPROVED
DURING HIS TREATMENT. WHEN ASKED IF THE AMERICAN HAD CHOSEN

TO ALIGN HIMSELF WITH THE VIETNAMESE FORCES, THE SOURCE APPEARED
NERVOUS AND STATED THAT IN THE COURSE OF HIS TREATMENT AT THE
HOSPITAL, THE AMERICAN BECAME DISILLUSIONED WITH THE WAR, WAS
UNWILLING TO FIGHT AGAINST THE VIETNAMESE PEOPLE ANY FURTHER, AND
"LAID DOWN HIS ARMS". THE VIETNAMESE PERSONNEL AT THE HOSPITAL
THEREFORE CONSIDERED HIM A FRIEND.
    E. ALL MEDICAL RECORDS CONCERNING THE AMERICAN PW WERE PROCESSED BY
THE CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER AT THE HOSPITAL. FOLLOWING TWO MONTHS OF
TREATMENT, PERSONNEL, INCLUDING ONE ENEMY PROSELYTIZING OFFICER,

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AND THREE GUARDS ARRIVED AT THE HOSPITAL IN ORDER TO ESCORT THE AMERICAN
TO THE PAVN 2ND DIV HEADQUARTERS. THE CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER PROVIDED THE
POLITICAL CADRE THE TREATMENT RECORDS OF THE AMERICAN AT THAT TIME. MR.
SON NOTED THAT ALTHOUGH ALL HIS REPORTS TO HIS SUPERIORS WERE MADE BY
COURIER,  HE ONLY MADE AN INITIAL REPORT THAT THE HOSPITAL HAD RECEIVED
ONE WOUNDED U.S. PRISONER. HE HIMSELF DID NOT KEEP ANY OTHER RECORDS
CONCERNING THE AMERICAN PW BECAUSE THE PRISONER WAS THE RESPONSIBILITY
OF THE MEDICAL OFFICER.
    F. MR. SON COULD NOT RECALL THE LOCATION OF THE HOSPITAL DURING THE
PERIOD WHICH THE AMERICAN WAS TREATED THERE. HE COULD ONLY RECALL THAT
IT WAS WEST OF THE THU BON RIVER. AFTER EXAMINING A MAP PROVIDED BY THE
JOINT TEAM FOR SEVERAL MINUTES, MR. SON STILL COULD NOT IDENTIFY A
LOCATION OF THE HOSPITAL. AS THE SOURCE CONCLUDED HIS ATTEMPT AT READING
THE MAP. HE MENTIONED THE LOCATION AS POSSIBLY BEING IN THE VICINITY OF
DAP VINH TRINH (DAPJ VINHX TRINH UNLOCATED).
    G. MR. SON SAID HE COULD NOT RECALL THE NAMES OF ANY OF THE
PERSONNEL WHO WORKED AT THE HOSPITAL. NOTING THAT THE INCIDENT HAD
OCCURRED OVER 20 YEARS AGO. WHEN COL KY PROVIDED HIM WITH THE NAMES OF
MR. LE HONG HAI. A MS. DIEU AND MS. NAM. THE SOURCE INDICATED THAT LE
HONG HAI WAS A NAME HE PERSONALLY WENT BY AT THE TIME. HE THOUGHT MS.
DIEU AND MS. NAM WERE NURSES BUT COULD NOT RECALL DEFINITIVELY.
    H. WITH NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. SON THE JOINT TEAM AGREED

TO CONCLUDE THE INTERVIEW.

4. CORRELATIONS TO EXISTING PW/MIA CASES. MR. SON'S STATEMENTS
PROBABLY CORRELATE TO CASE 0678-1-02 BASED ON GENERAL TIME FRAME.
GENERAL CIRCUMSTANCES OF LOSS, CIRCUMSTANCES OF MEDICAL TREATMENT.
PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION AND RELEASE CIRCUMSTANCES.

5. POTENTIAL LEADS: NONE.

6.  MATERIAL EVIDENCE: NONE.

7. COMMENTS.
    A. MR. SON ANSWERED ALL QUESTIONS IN AN APPARENTLY STRAIGHTFORWARD
AND HONEST MANNER. THOUGH HE HAD OBVIOUSLY PREPARED HIMSELF FOR THE
INTERVIEW. HE STARTED EACH STATEMENT WITH. "THIS IS MY REPORT
CONCERNING" THAT MATTER. WHILE HESITANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION
CONCERNING WHETHER THE AMERICAN HAD ALIGNED HIMSELF WITH
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MSGID/GENADMIN/CDR JTF-FA/J2//

SUBJ/INTERVIEW OF REQUESTED SOURCE. NGUYEN HONG SON AKA NGUYEN

RMKS/
THE VIETNAMESE (PARA 3D). HE DID NOT PERCEPTIBLY WITHHOLD ANY

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REQUESTED INFORMATION.
    B. MR. SON STATED HIS AGE AS 66 YOA. AT THE TIME OF THE INTERVIEW
MR. SON APPEARED TO BE IN POOR HEALTH ADDITIONALLY, MR. SON HAD OBVIOUS
DENTAL PROBLEMS WHICH DISTRACTED FROM HIS ABILITY TO SPEAK CLEARLY.
    C. REQUEST THE VNOSMP MAKE MR. NGUYEN HONG SON AVAILABLE FOR
RE-INTERVIEW IF NECESSARY.//

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