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SUBJ/INTERVIEW OF REQUESTED SOURCE, HOANG BA TE//

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AMPN/SUBJ: LIST OF PERSONS FOR INTERVIEW-SENATOR KERRY,
ENTRY NUMBER 30 OF 83//

RMKS/1. BACKGROUND. ON 12 JULY l993, A JOINT U.S./VIETNAM ORAL
HISTORY PROGRAM INTERVIEW TEAM INTERVIEWED MR. HOANG BA TE, A 55
YEAR OLD HANOI RESIDENT. MR. TE IS CURRENTLY RETIRED, FORMERLY A
LIEUTENANT COLONEL (LTC) AND CONTRIBUTOR TO THE HISTORY OF THE
BORDER DEFENSE TROOPS, VOLUME I (1559-1979). THE TEAM MET AT THE
CENTER FOR INTERNATIONAL NEWS AGENCY COOPERATION, VIETNAM NEWS
AGENCY, NUMBER 8 TRAN DAO STREET, HANOI. TO INTERVIEW MR. TE,
LISTED IN REFERENCE AS A POTENTIAL SOURCE OF INFORMATION
CONCERNING U.S. PERSONNEL MISSING IN ACTION IN VIETNAM. THE U.S.
CONTINGENT CONSISTED OF MR.[XXXX][XXXX][XXXX],DET 2, JOINT TASK
FORCE-FULL ACCOUNTING (JTF-FA) CASUALTY RESOLUTION SPECIALIST,
AND TSGT [XXXX][XXXX][XXXX], JTF-FA ORAL HISTORY PROGRAM
COORDINATOR. THE VIETNAMESE CENTRAL GOVERNMENT CONTINGENT
CONSISTED OF LTC LE KY, MINISTRY OF DEFENSE; AND MR. TRINH QUOC
KHANH, MINISTRY OF INTERIOR. MR. LE HAD NOT BEEN INTERVIEWED BY
A JOINT TEAM BEFORE.

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2. SUMMARY. THE SOURCE, MR. HOANG BA TE. PROVIDED NO DETAILS
CONCERNING U.S. PERSONNEL MISSING IN SOUTHEAST ASIA. HE
SUMMARIZED HIS METHODS AND PURPOSES FOR CONTRIBUTING TO THE
HISTORY OF THE BORDER DEFENSE TROOPS, VOLUME I 1959- 1979),
SOURCE MATERIALS FOR WHICH REPORTEDLY CAME FROM VIETNAMESE
NEWSPAPERS AND SOLDIERS. THE SOURCE CLAIMED NO KNOWLEDGE OF
U.S. PERSONNEL,  LIVING FREELY OR AGAINST THEIR WILL, IN
VIETNAM SINCE 1973.

3. DETAILS.

A. AFTER FORMAL INTRODUCTIONS,  LTC LE KY EXPLAINED THE
JOINT TEAM'S MISSION AND MR.[XXXX] BEGAN THE
INTERVIEW WITH  THE FOLLOWING TWO KEY QUESTIONS:

(1) SINCE 1973,  HAVE YOU EVER SEEN OR HAD KNOWLEDGE
OF U.S. PRISONERS OF WAR (PW) CAPTIVE IN VIETNAM?
MR. TE SAID HE HAD NOT.

(2) SINCE 1973,  HAVE YOU EVER SEEN OR HAD
KNOWLEDGE OF AMERICAN "STAY-BEHINDS" IN VIETNAM? MR. TE
SAID HE HAD NOT.

B. MR. HOANG BA TE (HOANG BAF TEES), HAVING ANSWERED THE
FIRST TWO KEY QUESTIONS. CONTINUED TO SAY THAT HE NEVER
DIRECTLY PARTICIPATED IN THE WAR AGAINST THE U.S. HE
SAID  THAT BETWEEN 1964  AND 1969  HE ATTENDED OFFICER
TRAINING  SCHOOL. AFTER GRADUATING, HE SAID, HE BECAME A
CULTURAL  INSTRUCTOR AT AN OFFICER TRAINING SCHOOL. HE
EXPLAINED THAT  HE REMAINED AN INSTRUCTOR UNTIL 1980
WHEN HE WAS ASKED TO  PARTICIPATE IN THE WRITING OF THE
HISTORY OF THE BORDER  DEFENSE TROOPS, VOLUME I (1959-1979 ).

C. WHILE WORKING ON THE BOOK, HE SAID, HE WAS SUBORDINATE
TO THE BORDER DEFENSE HEADQUARTERS, BUT THERE WAS NOT ANY ONE
PERSON ACTUALLY IN CHARGE OF THE PROJECT. HE SAID THE PURPOSE
OF WRITING THE BOOK WAS TO INTRODUCE THE EVENTS OF THE WAR
SPECIFICALLY BORDER DEFENSE VICTORIES TO THE TROOPS. HE SAID
THE BOOK WAS DIVIDED INTO SIX CHAPTERS. ONLY TWO OF THESE
CHAPTERS HAD INFORMATION ABOUT U.S. INVOLVEMENT,  CHAPTER 1
1964-1968 AND CHAPTER 2 (1969-1975). HIS SOURCES OF
INFORMATION, HE SAID WERE STRICTLY NEWSPAPERS, SUCH AS THE
PEOPLE'S ARMY NEWSPAPER (QUAAN DOOIJ NHAAN ZAAN), THE PUBLIC
SECURITY NEWSPAPER (COONG AN), AND ACTUAL PARTICIPANTS IN
BATTLES. HE SAID THAT MOST UNITS USED THE RADIO OR TELEPHONE
TO CALL IN THEIR REPORTS TO THEIR SUPERIORS, THEREFORE HE
DID NOT HAVE THESE TYPES OF REPORTS AVAILABLE FOR INCLUSION
IN THE BOOK. IF HE WANTED MORE INFORMATION THAT WAS CONTAINED
IN THE NEWSPAPER, HE SAID, HE TRAVELED TO THE UNIT INVOLVED AND
INTERVIEWED THE PARTICIPANTS FIRST HAND.

D. MR. TE SAID THAT BECAUSE THERE WERE OFTEN SEVERAL
BORDER DEFENSE ANTI-AIRCRAFT ARTILLERY (AA) POSITIONS IN A
SMALL AREA, NO ONE COULD EVER BE CERTAIN WHICH UNIT SHOULD
BE CREDITED WITH

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THE SHOOT DOWN OF A SPECIFIC AIRCRAFT. MORE OFTEN THAN NOT,
ALL OF THE UNITS WOULD CLAIM THE SHOOT DOWN, HE SAID,
LEADING TO INFLATED AIRCRAFT SHOOT DOWN STATISTICS. MR. TE
SAID THAT HE DOES NOT RECALL ANY SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES
WHERE A U.S. AIRCRAFT WAS SHOT DOWN. HE SAID THAT MOST UNITS
ONLY KNEW THE LOCATION, DATE, AND TIME OF SHOOTDOWN. HE
CLAIMS TO HAVE NEVER HEARD ABOUT ANY U.S. PERSONNEL BEING
CAPTURED BY BORDER DEFENSE FORCES.

E. MR. ASKED MR. TE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT BORDER DEFENSE
DESIGNATOR 44 AND 93 AND THEIR INVOLVEMENT WITH AMERICAN
PW'S. MR. TE SAID THAT HE BELIEVES THAT THESE DESIGNATOR
REPRESENT UNITS, WHICH POSSIBLY WERE OPERATING IN THANH
HOA.  BUT HE REALLY DOESN'T REMEMBER. HE OPINED, ANYTHING
THAT WAS  DESIGNATED A POST (DOONGF) WOULD NOT HAVE HAD
THE MANPOWER  TO PARTICIPATE IN PRISONER MANAGEMENT AND
IF THESE TWO  DESIGNATOR ARE RELATED TO PRISONER
MANAGEMENT, THEN THEY  PROBABLY REPRESENT UNITS. HE SAID
UNIT DESIGNATORS WERE  SECRET DURING THE WAR AND UNITS
OFTEN USED NICKNAMES AND  CHANGED THEIR DESIGNATORS TO
HIDE THEIR IDENTITY. HE  CONTINUED TO EXPLAIN THAT THE
ORGANIZATION OF THE BORDER  DEFENSE FORCE IS NOT HIS
FIELD OF EXPERTISE. AND HE KNOWS  VERY LITTLE ABOUT IT.
IF THERE IS INFORMATION ABOUT "44" AND  "93",  IT SHOULD
BE HELD AT THE BORDER DEFENSE HEADQUARTERS,  HE SAID. MR.
TE ALSO SAID THAT THE VIETNAMESE WAR VETERANS
ASSOCIATION MAY BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FURTHER INFORMATION
ABOUT  "44" AND "93".

F. WITH NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. TE, THE JOINT
TEAM AGREED TO CONCLUDE THE INTERVIEW.

4. CORRELATIONS TO EXISTING POW/MIA CASES.
NONE.

5. POTENTIAL LEADS. NONE.

6. MATERIAL EVIDENCE: NONE. THIS SOURCE BROUGHT NO
RECORDS, NOTEBOOKS, DIARIES, OR ANY MATERIAL EVIDENCE
ASSOCIATED WITH UNACCOUNTED FOR U.S. PERSONNEL.

7. COMMENTS.  A. THE MEMBERS OF THE JOINT TEAM CONFERRED ON
THE QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED DURING THIS INTERVIEW. TEAM
MEMBERS AGREED THAT THE NEED TO REINTERVIEW THIS SUBJECT
WOULD DEPEND ON WHETHER FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. TE
ARISE DURING THE COURSE OF THE ORAL HISTORY//

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SUBJ/INTERVIEW OF REQUESTED SOURCE, HOANG BA TE//
RMKS/

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INTERVIEW TEAM'S FUTURE WORK.

B. REQUEST THE VNOSMP MAKE MR. TE AVAILABLE FOR
REINTERVIEW IF NECESSARY.//

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