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AMPN/SUBJ/INTERVIEW OF REQUESTED SOURCE VU QUAN//

REF/A FAX/DET/ 2/16MAY93//

AMPN/SUBJ:    LIST OF PERSONS FOR INTERVIEW-SENATOR KERRY, ENTRY
NUMBER 12 OF 83//

RMKS/1.   BACKGROUND.   ON 18 MAY 1993, A JOINT U.S./VIETNAM INTERVIEW
TEAM INTERVIEWED MR. VU QUAN, APPROXIMATELY 70 YOA.  A RESIDENT OF
TOAN THANG VILLAGE, TU LOC DISTRICT, HAI HUNG PROVINCE AND FORMER
BO GIUONG PRISONER OF WAR (PW) CAMP COMMANDER.  THE TEAM MET AT
THE TU LOC PEOPLE'S COMMITTEE HEADQUARTERS BUILDING TO INTERVIEW
MR. VU QUAN (AKA PHAN VAN DONG (PHAMJ VAWN DOONG)).  CONSIDERED A
POTENTIAL SOURCE OF INFORMATION CONCERNING U.S. PERSONNEL MISSING
IN ACTION IN VIETNAM.  THE U.S. CONTINGENT CONSISTED OF MR. KEITH GARY
FLANAGAN, JTF-FA, DET 2 CASUALTY RESOLUTION SPECIALIST; AND PETTY
OFFICER JOHN HERVEY, JTF-FA ANALYST/LINGUIST.  THE VIETNAMESE
CENTRAL GOVERNMENT CONTINGENT CONSISTED OF LTC LE KY MINISTRY OF
DEFENSE; AND MR. NGUYEN VAN THANG LOI MINISTRY OF INTERIOR.  QUAN
HAD NOT BEEN PREVIOUSLY INTERVIEWED BY JOINT INVESTIGATION OR
SEARCH TEAMS.

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2.  SUMMARY.  THE SOURCE, VU QUAN, DESCRIBED HIS TIME AS COMMANDER
OF THE BO GIUONG PW CAMP.  A PRISONER DISPERSAL FACILITY IN CAO BANG
PROVINCE, VIETNAM IN 1972 OR 1973.  HE PROVIDED THE GENERAL NUMBERS OF
PRISONERS HELD AT THE CAMP.  CAMP FUNCTIONS AND FACILITIES IN HANOI. 
QUAN IDENTIFIED HIS SUPERIORS IN THE GENERAL POLITICAL DIRECTORATE 
(GDP)  (THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE ALREADY KNOWN TO POW/MIA
INVESTIGATORS/RESEARCHERS).  HE DID NOT KNOW THE DISPOSITION OF
RECORDS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN GENERATED BASED ON PRISONERS THAT
WERE HELD IN HIS CAMP.  SINCE 1973, THE SOURCE HAD NEVER SEEN
AMERICANS LIVING FREELY OR AGAINST THEIR WILL IN VIETNAM.  THOUGH HE
PROVIDED BELIEVABLE INFORMATION POSSIBLY USEFUL TO POW/MIA
RESEARCHERS.  THE SOURCE REVEALED NOTHING THAT WILL LEAD TO
IMMEDIATE RESOLUTION OF ANY EXISITING POW/MIA CASE.

3.  DETAILS.  

A.   AFTER INTRODUCTIONS AND AN EXCHANGE OF AMERICANS WITH THE
DISTRICT PARTY CHIEF.  THE JOINT TEAM BEGAN THE INTERVIEW.  MR.
FLANAGAN AND LTC KY EXPLAINED THE TEAM'S MISSION AND OBJECTIVES TO
MR. VU QUAN (VUX QUAAN).  QUAN BEGAN BY EXPRESSING SYMPATHY FOR
THE MOTHERS AND WIVES OF THE MISSING U.S. SERVICEMEN AND PLEGED TO
PROVIDE ANY ASSISTANCE HE COULD.  HE ADVISED THE TEAM, HOWEVER,
THAT SINCE HE WAS NEARLY 70 YOA, HE HAD probably FORGOTTEN MUCH SINCE
THE WAR.  QUAN SUGGESTED THAT THE JOINT TEAM POSE ALL THEIR
QUESTIONS FIRST.  AFTER WHICH HE WOULD ATTEMPT TO ANSWER.  AT THAT
POINT MR. FLANAGAN ASKED THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS:

(1)  IN WHAT YEAR WAS BO GIUONG  (BOS GIWONGF)  CAMP ESTABLISHED?

(2)  HOW MANY AMERICANS DID THE CAMP DETAIN?

(3)  DURING THE EXISENCE OF THE CAMP, HOW MANY AMERICANS DIED IN
     THE CAMP; WHERE AND HOW WERE THEY BURIED?

(4)  WHO HAS KNOWLEDGE OF RECORDS CONCERNING THE AMERICAN
     PRISONERS IN THE CAMP?

(5)  SINCE 1973, HAVE YOU EVER SEEN AN AMERICAN PRISONER LIVING IN
     VIETNAM?

(6)  WAS THERE A LARGE TURNOVER OF U.S. PRISONERS IN THE CAMP?

(7)  DO YOU KNOW OF ANY U.S. PRISONERS WHO DIED WHILE TRAVELING TO
     HANOI FOR MEDICAL TREATMENT?

(8)  DO YOU REMEMBER NAMES OF ANY AMERICAN PRISONERS?

(9)  DID ANY OF THE PRISONERS ACT AS SPOKESMAN FOR THE GROUP?

(10) DID THE CAMP HAVE A DOCTOR?

(11) DID THE CAMP HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE?

(12) BETWEEN SEPTEMBER 1972 AND JANUARY 1973, DID A FOREGIN      
DELEGATION VISIT THE CAMP?

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(13) DID GENERAL POLITICAL DIRECTORATE PERSONNEL ROUTINELY VISIT
     THE CAMP?

(NOTE:  SOME OF THE ABOVE QUESTIONS WERE ACTUALLY POSED AFTER MR.
QUAN BEGAN HIS REPLIES.  QUAN'S ANSWERS ARE COMPILED BELOW IN
UNINTERRUPTED NARRATIVE FORMAT FOR CLARITY.)

B.    ACCORDING TO MR. QUAN, THE BO GIUONG (XK45168581) CAMP
ESTABLISHED IN LATE AUGUST/EARLY SEPTEMBER 1972.  AT WHICH TIME HE
RECEIVED ORDERS TO COMMAND THE CAMP, WHICH WAS IN CAO BANG
PROVINCE.  HE SERVED IN HIS CAPACITY AS COMMANDER UNTIL JANUARY 1973. 
THE CAMP WAS A DISPERSAL TYPE FACILITY; IN OTHER WORDS, A FACILITY
CREATED TO HOLD U.S. PRISONERS AT LOCATIONS AWAY FROM HANOI AREA
PRISONS.  SINCE IN 1972 U.S. BOMBING IN HANOI WAS ESPECIALLY HEAVY. 
QUAN EXPOUNDED ON THE DIFFICULITIES OF LIFE IN THE CAMP.  INCLUDING
LACK OF MEDICAL FACILITIES, FOOD, AND PROPER SHELTER, COMPLICATED BY
THE CAMP'S RELATIVELY ISOLATED POSITION DUE TO THE CAMP'S DISPERSAL
STATUS.  THE FACILITY HELD NO RECORDS OR DOCUMENTS; THESE WERE ALL
HELD IN HANOI.

C.    IN RESPONCE TO WHETHER THE CAMP HAD AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE,
QUAN REITERATED THAT ALL RECORDS WERE KEPT IN HANOI.  AS CAMP
COMMANDER, QUAN OUTLINED HIS PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITIES AS FOLLOWS:   
(1)   CAMP SAFETY AND ORDER,   (2)   TEACHING THE PRISONERS CAMP RULES
AND REGULATIONS, AND   (3)   KEEPING THE PRISONERS ALIVE AND HEALTHY. 
THOUGH REGULATION BREACHES OCCURRED, PRISONERS WERE NEVER
PUNISHED DUE TO THE CAMP'S HUMANITARIAN POLICY.

D.    THE GREATEST NUMBER OF U.S. PRISONERS EVER HELD IN THE CAMP AT
ONE TIME, ACCORDING TO QUAN, WAS 103. THE NUMBER OF DETAINEES NEVER
FELL BELOW 90 PRISONERS.  THE PRISONER COUNT FLUCTUATED SLIGHTLY
DURING THE CAMP'S EXISTENCE DUE TO PRISONERS BEING SENT TO HANOI FOR
MORE ADEQUATE MEDICAL CARE.  THOUGH THE CAMP STAFF INCLUDED A
NUMBER OF MEDICAL PERSONNEL, INCLUDING MEDICAL OFFICERS AND
NURSES, THE CAMP HAD INADEQUATE FACILITIES TO PROPERLY TREAT THOSE
REQUIRING MORE THAN BASIC MEDICAL CARE.  ACCORDING TO MR. QUAN,
THOUGH THERE WERE, AT TIMES, SERIOUSLY ILL OR WOUNDED PRISONERS AT
THE CAMP, NONE DIED AT THE CAMP.  HE KNEW OF NO U.S. PRISONERS WHO
DIED WHILE TRAVELING TO HANOI FOR MEDICAL TREATMENT.

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RMKS/

E.    QUAN REMEMBERED NO NAMES OF PRISONERS DETAINED AT THE CAMP,
CITING THE FACT THAT HE KNEW NO FOREIGN LANGUAGES, NOR DID HE KNOW
ANY OF THE PRISONERS' RANKS.  HE DID NOT RECALL A CERTAIN INDIVIDUAL
EVER ACTING AS A SPOKESMAN FOR THE PRISONERS.

F.    MEMBERS OF THE CAMP'S HIGHER HEADQUARTERS, LTC DOAN HANH
(DOANF HANHJ) AND DEPUTY SECTION DIRECTOR SRCOL NGUYEN VAN
THUONG

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(NGUYEENX VAWN THWONGF), SUBORDINATE TO THE GPD, ROUTINELY
VISITED THE CAMP.  WHEN ORDERED TO RELINQUISH RESPONSIBILITY OF
PRISONERS TO HANOI, QUAN IN EVERY CASE TURNED THE PRISONERS OVER TO
HANH, UNDER THUONG'S COGIZANCE.  QUAN INTIMATED THAT THESE TWO
INDIVIDUALS WOULD BE THE MOST LIKELY TO KNOW THE DISPOSITION OF THE
CAMP'S RECORDS.

G.    ACCORDING TO QUAN, NO FOREIGN DELEGATION EVER VISITED THE CAMP. 
QUAN STATED THAT SINCE 1973 HE HAD NEVER SEEN ANY AMERICANS
PRISONERS OR OTHERWISE, LIVING IN VIETNAM.  THE FIRST TIME HE EVER
DEALT WITH AMERICANS WAS IN THE CAMP; THE SECOND TIME WAS TODAY
(THE DAY OF THE INTERVIEW).

H.    AT THIS POINT, AFTER DECIDING THAT NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS WERE
REQUIRED, THE JOINT TEAM CONCLUDED THE INTERVIEW.

4.    CORRELATIONS TO EXISTING POW/MIA CASES.     NONE.

5.    POTENTIAL LEADS.   MR. VU QUAN IDENTIFIED THE FOLLOWING
INDIVIDUALS AS POTENTIAL SOURCES OF INFORMATION ON POW/MIA MATTERS:

A.    DOAN HANH, GENERAL POLITICAL DIRECTORATE REPRESNTATIVE (GPD)
WHO ACCEPTED RESPONSIBILITY OF PRISONERS FROM QUAN.  (PREVIOUSLY
INTERVIEWED BY DET 2, JTF-FA RESEARCHER/HISTORIAN, 23 APRIL 93, 11 MAY
93)

B.    NGUYEN VAN THUONG, GPD REPRESENTATIVE WHO WORKED WITH HANH
IN ACCEPTING PRISONER TRANSFERS FROM QUAN.  (PREVIOUSLY INTERVIEWED
BY DET 2, JTF-FA RESEARCHER/HISTORIAN, 12 MAY 93)

C.    LTC NGO DAT TAI  (NGOO DATJ TAIF).  (PREVIOUSLY INTERVIEWED BY A
JOINT INVESTIGATION TEAM IN HANOI, 12 MAY 93)

D.    PHAN HUAN (PHAN HUAANS).   (SEE COMMENT IN PARA.  7A., BELOW)

6.    MATERIAL EVIDENCE:   NONE.   THIS SOURCE BROUGHT NO RECORDS,
NOTEBOOKS, DIARIES, OR ANY MATERIAL EVIDENCE CONTEMPORARY FOR U.S.
PERSONNEL.

7.    COMMENTS.

A.    CONCERING THE NAME PROVIDED IN PARA. 5.A., ABOVE, THE SOURCE WAS
POSSIBLY REFERRING TO PHAM VAN HUAN  (PHAMJ VAWN HUAANS), DOAN
HANH'S DEPUTY IN OFFICE 22, GROUP 875.  PHAM VAN HUAN WAS PREVIOUSLY
INTERVIEWED BY DET 2, JTF-FA RESEARCHER/HISTORIAN IN JUNE 92.

B.    REQUEST THE VNOSMP ALLOW THE U.S. ACCESS TO THIS SOURCE FOR
FUTURE INTERVIEW IN THE EVENT THAT SIGNIFICANT SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ARE
DEEMED NECESSARY.//

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