[060392.OH 04/27/96] Colonel Nguyen Minh Y [Nguyeeux Minh Y], PAVN. DPOB: 1940, NVN. - Interview, 3 June 1992, 0900-1130 and 1600-1830 hours Le Thach Government Guest House, Hanoi. - Interview, 10 June 1992, 1500-1700 hours, Le Thach Government Guest House. - Married, two sons. - 1976-79 Studied Military Politics at Senior Military Institute. - Russian, Laotian, English, Vietnamese. - Father practitioner of traditional medicine. Aspired to be a doctor or teacher. Entered college at 20 YOA (1960). Lieutenant Colonel Pham Teo [Phamj Teof], PAVN. DPOB: Bac Ninh (Ha Bac), 1945. 31 May 1992. Walking tour of the area around 17, 21, 23, and 25 Ly Nam De Street, and 5 Duong Thanh Street. Dr.[xxxx][xxxx], [xxxx].[xxxx], CWO [xxxx][xxxx]. Posed for photos at entrances to 17, 23, and 25 Ly Nam De and the rear of 17 Ly Nam De. Posed for photos with water tower at rear of 23 Ly Nam De Street visible in background. Also took photos of 5 Duong Thanh from beer garden across the street. Spoke with local merchants and neighborhood residents at the Le Van Linh Street entrance to 21 Ly Nam De Street. Took one photo through an opening in the gate looking into the interior of 21 Ly Nam De Street. A group of residents and merchants pointed in the direction of the rear of 17 Ly Nam De Street (Note: the former camp U.S. POWs nicknamed "The Citadel") and asked [xxxx] why he took photos of Dr. against that background. Mr. [xxxx] replied simply that we have friends who used to live in that area. The locals laughed knowingly. One man used his hands and voice to mimic an aircraft going down and in unison they exclaimed that our friends undoubtedly were U.S. pilots. They laughed at the suggestion that any American might have lived or been held prisoner in this area after the POWs were released in 1973. 2 June 1992. Interview Major (Ret) Pham Van Hoan, Le Thach Government Guest House. 3 June 1992. First interview of Colonel Nguyen Minh Y. 0900-1130 and 16001830. Le Thach Guest House. ((Earlier session on 17 April 1992. Final session on 10 June 1992.)) 4 June 1992. Interview of LTC Pham Teo. 0900-1330. Le Thach Government Guest House. 5 June 1992. 17 Ly Nam De Street. Director PAVN SrCol Pham Hoa [Phamj Hoa]. Deputy Director PAVN LTC Dang Xuan Hai [Dawngj Xuaan Hair]. Assistant to Director PAVN LTC Nguyen Huu Vuong [Nguyeenx Huwu Vuowngf. SrCol Tran Van Bien, LTC Nguyen Ngoc Bich, MOI Major Pham Dung. 6 June 1992. 5 Duong Thanh Street. Received by manager of the now collective housing unit. -- families. Toured rooms on ground and second floor. Third floor unused. Interviewed -- resident(s) who lived here during period in question. Accompanied by LTC Pham Teo, Mr. Pham Tuan (MOI), Dr. Angelo Collura, CWO Thomas McKay, Cpl William Sandusky. 7 June 1992. 91 Duong Tau Bay B.52 (Truong Chinh).[xxxx] last residence in Hanoi. Local residents had no knowledge of Garwood or other U.S. in area. Occasion Russian seen in the area. 9 June 1992. Army Museum. Dr. Angelo Collura, R. Destatte, Cpl William Sandusky. Note: While taking photos in central courtyard near outdoor display of MIG flying triumphantly over pile of wreckage of U.S. aircraft, I heard tapping sound on a window behind me. I turned and saw T.S. standing inside an office looking out through a window and tapping on the window to gain my attention. When we made eye contact, he smiled, waved, and turned back into the room. 10 June 1992. Second interview of Colonel Y. 1500-1630. 11 June 1992. Helicopter flyover of sites in Hoang Lien Son Province and points west of Hanoi. 12  June 1992. Visit 23 and 25 Ly Nam De Street. - 25 Ly Nam De Street. Administrative Offices of the Military Supreme Court, at this address from mid-1950s to present. Assistant Military Supreme Court Judge SrCol Vu Dinh Thap [Vux DDinhf Thaps], 1970 to present. Cadre Assistant [possibly political officer] LTC Trinh Duy Than [Trinhj Dzuy Than;, September 1970 to present. Military Court Cadre Major Nguyen Kim Tien [Nguyeenx Kim Tieens]. SrCol Tran Van Bien, MOI Officer Pham Tuan, Dr.[xxxx][xxxx], [xxxx][xxxx], Cpl [xxxx] [xxxx]. No POWs. Defendents never visit this address--administrative offices only. Clear views of interior of neighboring military family quarters compound at  Ly Nam De Street. Hosts confirm members of the military court and families live at this address. Also, clear views of the line of sight from the second floor northeast corner balcony of the rear building in the compound--i.e., the location from which Dao Viet Cuong claimed to have peered into a large prison housing U.S. POWs. - 23 Ly Nam De Street. Administrative Offices of the People's Army of Vietnam Publishing House, at this address 1957 to present. Senior Colonel Huy Nhuong [Huy Nhaowngj], staff member 1976 to present. Colonel Pham Gia Duc [Phamj Gia DDuwcs], staff member. LTC Dang Van Lam [DDawngj yawn Laam], staff member March 1973 to present. Staff members LTC Pham Quang Dinh [Phamj Quang DDinhj] and LTC Dao Sanh [DDao Sanh]. SrCol Tran Van Bien, MOI Officer Pham Tuan, [xxxx]. [xxxx][xxxx], [xxxx]Cpl [xxxx][xxxx]. Meeting in the conference room on upper floor of building in which [xxxx] claimed to have seen a POW under detention as [xxxx] came to head of stairs enroute to pingpong/recreation room. The layout does not match [xxxx] description, as I recall the description. There is no central hallway, only the open air corridor/balcony along the east end and face of the buildings. The large French windows on all outside walls of each room would make it unlikely that any U.S. POWs ever detained here. Confirmed that the building to the south of the water tower and adjacent to the elevated railroad track was used as a dining hall until recently. Members of the staff insisted that the dining hall was open to all military personnel of all ranks and their families, civilian employees of the military, and even the public at large. In reent years the building was converted to use as a supply storage building for the Army Publishing House. The small building immediately south of the storage building is a two story duplex family quarters for members of the staff who manage the storage building. This storage building (former dining hall) formerly was part of the t-shaped compound at 21 Ly Nam De Street. Access to this compound was possible through a gate at 21 Ly Nam De Street, a gate on Le Van Linh Street, and a passageway at the rear of 23 Ly Nam De Street. The passageway connecting 23 and 21 Ly Nam De Street recently was walled closed when a new building was constructed at the rear of 23 Ly Nam De Street. Clear views into the interior of the compound at 21 Ly Nam De Street. This is the compound in which [xxxx] claimed to have eaten dinner shortly before he allegedly saw a possible U.S. POW on the second floor of the main office building of the Army Publishing House at 23 Ly Nam De. 14 June 1992. Visit the Gia Lam Heavy Vehicle Parts Warehouse and Supply Depot. Director [Chur Nhieemj] PAVN Major Trinh Xuan Ham [Trinhj Xuaan Hamf]; Representative of the General Directorate for Rear Services, Colonel Dao Anh Nang [DDao Anh Nawng]. Cadre Duong Van Luong [Zuowng yawn Luowng], responsible for locating parts from inventory to fill requisitions, 1970 to present. Mrs. Nguyen Thi Noi [Nguyeenx Thij Nooij], responsible for issuing parts directly to customers, 1966 to present. Major (Mrs.) Nguyen Thi Hoa [Nguyeenx Thij Hoa], Deputy Director and Officer in Charge of the Warehouse Area, 1970 to present. LTC Nguyen Duc Bai ((Nguyeenx DDuwcs Baif)), cadre representing the Director of the General Directorate for Rear Services. [xxxx].[xxxx][xxxx],Mr. [xxxx][xxxx], Corporal [xxxx][xxxx], SrCol Tran Van Bien, LTC Pham Teo, and MOI officer Mr. Pham Tuan. - SrCol Bien and Mr.[xxxx] explained the team's objective was to determine the facts concerning [xxxx] claims to have received parts from the warehouse and to have seen U.S. POWs on a work detail at the warehouse. The team met with assembled staff at warehouse conference room and visited the supply issue point. PAVN staff clearly heavily influenced by long years of wartime security measures. They noted during the war they used strict security measures and deception to mislead U.S. agents and overhead imagery experts about this facility. SrCol Bien persuaded the staff to relax its initial hesitancy to provide detailed descriptions of the facility's operations. - The staff at Gia Lam allowed the team to photograph their personnel, the administrative areas such as the conference room, and the supply issue point; however, they prohibited the team from photographing storage buildings or the area layout. They permitted the team to examine a complete annual register of persons who received parts at the warehouse. The team photographed the cover and a representative page of the register. The team also examined and photographed an old receipt for issued parts. The Gia Lam staff said a Soviet enlisted specialist had signed the requisition as a souvenier. The staff said this was the only time that a foreign person was ever permitted to receipt for an item issued at the Gia Lam facility. - The staff explained the procedures for issuing parts. The facility is a depot level warehouse and supply point for parts for military heavy vehicles. It provided support only General Directorates and Major Commands, such as the General Directorate for Rear Services, the General Political Directorate, and military regions. The staff said individual units are not authorized to receive parts directly from the Gia Lam facility. Individual units submit their requirements to their parent general directorate or major command. - The team explained [xxxx] was a maintenance specialist assigned to PAVN Group 776 from about 1975 to late-1978 and suggested that during that time he might have received parts from the Gia Lam facility. The staff insisted that was not possible for at least two reasons. First, Group 776 was not authorized to draw parts directly from the facility. They pointed out that since Group 776 was subordinate to the General Political Directorate, that general directorate would have requested and received all heavy vehicle parts needed by Group 776. Second, with only one exception, foreigners were not permitted to enter the facility and were never permitted to directly receipt for supplies. - The one exception was two Soviet enlisted men who accompanied Vietnamese specialists who received parts for a group of three Soviet maintenance battalions in about 1978. In about 1978 three Soviet maintenace battalions were sent to Vietnam for about one year to help PAVN restore its fleet of Soviet vehicles. Vietnam required that the deputy commander of each battalion was a PAVN officer. All parts requisitions for these battalions required the concurance of the PAVN deputy commander and were sent to the General Directorate for Rear Services for approval. The General Directorate for Rear Services forwarded approved requisitions through its Quartermaster Department to the Gia Lam facility. - At Gia Lam, Major (Mrs.) Nguyen Thi Hoa, Deputy Director and officer in Charge of the Warehouse Area, would approve and forward newly received requisitions to Cadre Duong Van Luong. Cadre Luong would locate and pull the parts from inventory and pass them to Mrs. Nguyen Thi Noi at the central issue point. When this action was completed the Gia Lam facility would notify the requester the items were ready for pick up. When the requester arrived, Mrs. Noi would issue the parts and insure the appriate receipts were signed. In the case of the Soviet battalions, the PAVN permitted two Soviet enlisted specialists to examine the parts prior to issue to insure they were the requested items. However, the Soviet technicians always were accompanied by one or more Vietnamese and only Vietnamese specialists were permitted to sign receipts for issued items. 26 June 1992. Visit to Military Hospital 354, on Doc Ngu Street, Ba Dinh District, Hanoi. Director, Doctor Colonel Nhan Lai. Dr. Lai is a heart specialist. He is 44 years old ((Field comment: DOB about 1949). He entered PAVN in 1966-67 and has been Director of the 354th Hospital since 1988. The following members of the hospital staff participated in the interview. Dr. (Mrs.) Hoang Thu Ha ((Hoangf Thu Haf)), who acted as secretary for the meeting. Dr. Ha had been on the staff since 1981. Mr. Nguyen Quoc Su ((Nguyeenx Quoocs Suwr)), medical affairs specialist, who had been on the staff since 1991. Dr. Tran Manh Son ((Traanf Manhj Sown)), medical statistician, who served on the 354th Hospital staff during 1973-78 and 1988-present. Three unnamed persons who were introduced as finance and supply specialists also participated in the meeting, but did not contribute to the discussions. The late Senior Colonel Dang Quoc Tuyen ((DDangj Quoocs Tuyeen)), served as Director of the hospital from 1973 until 1987--the period relevant to the inquiries about [xxxx]. The joint US/SRV team consisted of Mr. [xxxx][xxxx][xxxx]. Senior Colonel Tran Van Bien, and Mr. Pham Tuan (MOI). - Military Hospital 354 provides medical treatment for PAVN enlisted personnel and their dependents stationed in the Hanoi area. PAVN officers receive treatment at Military Hospital 108. - Military Hospital 354 is adjacent to the compound the U.S. Joint Task Force-Full Accounting leased in May 1992 to house its Detachment 2 personnel and offices. The Australian Embassy previously leased the compound as temporary housing for its personnel. - The assembled staff of Military Hospital 354, whose combined experience at this hospital dates back to 1973, said that to the best of their knowledge no U.S. POW ever received treatment at Military Hospital 354. They said Military Hospital 108 treated U.S. POWs and foreign military personnel. They said they believed Mr. [xxxx] was the first American to visit Military Hospital 354 under any circumstances. - Mr. [xxxx] and Senior Colonel Bien described [xxxx] and summarized his claims to have seen U.S. POWs after 1973. The members of the hospital staff said they had never seen nor previously heard of [xxxx] or any other Americans who might have stayed in Vietnam after 1973. They all believed that Vietnam had released all U.S. POWs in 1973. - The hospital has only rudimentary administrative records and no record that would document treatment of individual patients during the 1970s, the period when [xxxx] was living in northern Vietnam. The hospital has never had a computer or computer-based records. The hospital has only hardcopy records, which are retained for no more than 10 years. - Mr. [xxxx] and Senior Colonel Bien summarized PAVN's uninlateral efforts, begining in the early 1970s, to collect and preserve remains of Americans, and asked the hospital staff to describe the role their facility played in this effort. The assembled staff members said they had not previously heard of any such effort. They noted the facility originally was a French military cantonment area, and was not designed as a medical facility. The hospital has never had the means to process and store remains. About ten years ago (about 1982) the hospital added a morgue to perform autopsies; however, because it is not refrigerated, remains can not be stored here. Additionally, the 354th Hospital compound also serves as a housing area for the hospital staff and their families. The staff members were certain Military Hospital 354 did not and could not have played a role in the PAVN's efforts to collect and preserve remains of Americans who died in Southeast Asia. 29 June 1992. Military Hospital 108, aka Tran Hung Dao Hospital, located at No. 1 Tran Hung Dao Street, Hanoi, Vietnam. The joint US/SRV team was received by Brigadier General Doctor (LNU) Au ((AAu)), the Deputy Director of the hospital. The Director of the hospital invited two retired former members of the hospital staff to join the meeting to fulfill the request of Mr. [xxxx] and Senior Colonel Bien to provide coverage of the 1970s, the period when [xxxx] lived in northern Vietnam. In addition to BG Au, the following six persons participated in the meeting. Dr. Le Dinh Ly ((Lee DDinhf Lys)). Now retired, Dr. Ly is a native of Quang Tri Province and a former Director of Hospital 108. He served on the hospital staff from 1955 until 1980. Professor Dr. Nguyen Thuc Tung ((Nguyeenx Thuwcs Tungf)). Now retired, Dr. Tung was assigned to the hosptial in 1965. During 1966-67 he was assigned to an administrative medical position in headquarters Military Region 5, in southern Vietnam. He then returned to Hospital 108 from 1967 to 1977, when he again was reassigned to southern Vietnam. A staff member introduced only as Dr. (LNU) Thuan ((Thuaanj)). Two men introduced only as cadre, named Bui Hoang Tung ((Buff Hoangf Tungf)) and Nguyen Huy Cap ((Nguyeenx Huy Caaps)), but who did not participate in the discussions. LTC Nguyen Duc Bai ((Nguyeenx DDuwcs Baif)), cadre representing the Director of the General Directorate for Rear Services. The joint US/SRV team consisted of Mr. [xxxx][xxxx][xxxx], Senior Colonel Tran Van Bien, LTC Pham Teo, and Mr. Pham Tuan (MOI). - Hospital 108 is the PAVN's senior and most modern military medical facility, staffed and equipped to treat cases that other military medical facilities are not able to handle. Hospital 108 is to PAVN as Walter Reed and Bethesda are to the U.S. Army and U.S. Navy, respectively. - The Deputy Director, Dr. Ly, and Dr. Tung confirmed that during the war Hospital 108 had sole responsibility for hospital care of U.S. POWs held in northern Vietnam. While acknowledging their equipment, medicines, and training were not equivalent to U.S. norms, Doctors Ly and Tung spoke with genuine emotion about their determination to give U.S. POWs the very best care possible--equal to and, in some instances, exceeding the care they were able to give their own soldiers. Various members and former members of the staff recounted several incidents in which U.S. POWs were treated at Hospital 108 during the war. Dr. Ly said he had a vivid recollection of an incident in which a wounded U.S. POW was admitted at the moment that a U.S. aircraft dropped a bomb on the pavement in front of the hospital. Dr. Ly noted that although the bomb wounded a Doctor named Thuy, Dr. Ly and his staff gave the U.S. POW the best possible care. Dr. Ly, Dr. Tung, and another member of the staff recalled one U.S. POW who was admitted with a severly wounded leg. Initially, Dr. Ly thought he would have to amputate the leg to save the man. However, moved by the POW's passionate pleas to not amputate, Dr. Ly tried to save the leg. Dr. Ly succeeded and recalled that the POW was very thankful. - Records. Doctors Ly and Tung and other members of the staff said they never knew the names or biographic information about the U.S. POWs who were brought in for treatment. They noted PAVN's Enemy Proselyting Department (CDV--Cuc Dich Van) had primary responsibility for U.S. POWs. They said the CDV kept information about U.S. POWs tightly compartmented and discouraged inquiries from outsiders about the POWs. Normally, for Vietnamese patients, the hospital would create and keep a historical record of the treatment given an individual patient; however, Doctors Ly and Tung and others recalled that the CDV would not permit the hospital to retain records on U.S. POWs. The CDV required the hospital to place a U.S. POW patient in a private room. Dr. Ly, a former Director of the hospital, said this was a precaution to protect the U.S. POW patient from angry Vietnamese families visiting hospitalized relatives who might try to harm the POW. Doctors Ly and Tung said the CDV never informed the hospital of a U.S. POW's identity; and, given the "loose lips sink ships. mindset of the war years, they said it would not have occurred to members of the hospital staff to become too curious. When the hospital discharged a U.S. POW, the CDV took custody of all hospital records concerning the POW's treatment and returned the POW to an appropriate POW camp - Doctors Ly and Tung suggested the joint team should direct its questions about records to the CDV, as "they would know about the records". - Remains recovery. Mr. and Senior Colonel Bien described PAVN's unilateral effort, begining in the early 1970s, to collect and preserve remains of Americans who died during the war, and asked the hospital staff to describe the role their facility played in this effort. Mr. [xxxx] noted the normal sequence was for Provincial military authorities to recover remains and bring them to Hanoi, where they turned the remains over to PAVN's Group 875 and its successor, the Department of Military Justice. Group 875 and the Department of Military Justice, in turn, would turn the remains over to PAVN's Forensic Office ((Phongf Phaps Y)) located at Hospital 108. - The Hospital 108 staff recalled that during the war the hospital had handled the remains of about 10 or more Americans who had died, either in the hospital or in the Hanoi area. The hospital issued death certificates on each of those persons. The hospital turned over the certificates of death and the remains to the Enemy Proselyting Department for disposition. The hospital staff did not know what the Enemy Proselyting Department did with the remains; however, they agreed that it would be logical to bury them at Van Dien Cemetery, a major public cemetery located in the southern suburbs of Hanoi. ((Field Comment: In early 1973 officials from the U.S. Delegation to the Four Party Joint Military Team visited gravesites of 23 Americans at Van Dien Cemetery. Hanoi repatriated those remains in 1974.)) - All members of Hospital 108's staff swiftly and forcefully challenged the suggestion that Hospital 108 might have played a role in PAVN's efforts to collect and preserve remains. They explained that PAVN's Forensic Office is not now and never has been subordinate to or an integral part of the Hospital 108 organization. Dr. Ly noted that many years ago he supervised Dr. Thu, the PAVN forensic specialist responsible for U.S. remains. At that time Dr. Thu was a physician on the staff of Hospital 108. However, sometime in the 1960s, Dr. Thu was withdrawn from the hospital staff and sent to Germany for training in forensic sciences. When Dr. Thu returned, he needed a work area that included a morgue and associated facilities. Because PAVN did not have funds to build a separate facility at that time, Hospital 108 was directed to "loan" space to Dr. Thu. - Hospital 108's staff explained that Dr. Thu's forensic activity is directly subordinate to the Military Medical Department ((cue Quan Y)) of PAVN's General Directorate for Rear Services. They emphasized that Hospital 108 has no authority over Dr. Thu's activity and is not informed about his activity. They noted that during the 1970s Dr. Thu's activity was called the Forensic Office ((Phongf Phaps Y)); however, it was upgraded later. Today, it is called the Forensic Institute ((Vieenj Phaps Y)), and has moved to a separate facility adjacent to Hospital 108. - Hospital 108's staff suggested Senior Colonel Bien, LTC Teo, and Dr. Thu, could supply a list of cadre who would know about PAVN's unilateral efforts to collect and preserve U.S. remains and the role Dr. Thu's Forensic Office/Institute played in that effort. Dr. Ly also noted Hospital 108's staff could provide a list of such cadre if requested in writing and approved through appropriate channels. - During the discussion of PAVN's efforts to collect and preserve remains, LTC Teo, the VNOSMP's senior specialist on remains recovery operations, helped clarify the roles of Group 875, the Department of Military Justice, Dr. Thu's Forensic Office, and Hospital 108. LTC Teo reaffirmed that provincial military authorities recovered remains and brought them to Hanoi, where they turned them over to Group 875 and, later, to the Department of Military Justice. He reaffirmed he supervised this activity from early 1972, when Group 875 was established, until present. When Group 875 was disbanded in about October-December 1974, he and the function were transferred to the Department of Military Justice. He reaffirmed he received remain" from the provincial authorities and turned them over to Dr. Thu at the PAVN Forensic Office to confirm the identity of the skeleton. He agreed that Dr. Thu and the Forensic Office were separate from Hospital 108 and that the hospital staff did not participate in or have knowledge of PAVN's efforts to collect and preserve U.S. remains. Under questioning by Mr. , LTC Teo acknowledged many remains he turned over to Dr. Thu during the 1970s stayed in storage for years. He also said it was unlikely Dr. Thu could have stored the remains in the small space he borrowed from Hospital 108. He also acknowledged he had no idea where Dr. Thu sent the remains for storage. - [xxxx][xxxx][xxxx]. Mr. [xxxxx] and Senior Colonel Bien described [xxxx] summarized his claims to have seen U.S. POWs after 1973, including his claim to have seen one or more U.S. POW while hospitalized at Hospital 108. Without exception, the hospital staff insisted Hanoi released all U.S. POWs in 1973. None of the hospital staff recognized the name [xxxx] With one exception, the hospital staff said they had not previously heard about any American who might have voluntarily remained in Vietnam after U.S. POWs were released in 1973. - Dr. Ly, the former Director of Hospital 108, recalled one former American serviceman who reportedly had crossed over to PAVN and voluntarily remained in Vietnam was admitted to Hospital 108 for a period of 10 or more days in about 1978, after Dr. Tung left the hospital and returned to southern Vietnam. Dr. Ly said he knew the American only by his adopted Vietnamese name "[xxx]" "[xxxx]", often called "[xxxx]" ((i.e., Brother [xxxx])). Dr. Ly did not recall precisely why "[xxxx]" was hospitalized; however, he believed it might have been for treatment of malaria or a kidney infection. Dr. Ly recalled "[xxxx]" was assigned to the Enemy Proselyting Department. He noted "[xxxx]" was not under guard and was free to come and go at will. Dr. Ly did not know what happened to " after he was discharged from the hospital. - Dr. Ly described "[xxxx]" as a handsome man who appeared to be in his late twenties ((in 1978)) and who spoke Vietnamese fluently. With obvious amusement, Dr. Ly characterized "[xxxx]" as an untruthful, devious, cunning, rogue, who was very quick to make up stories. Dr. Ly speculated, based on "[xxxx]" conduct at Hospital 108, that " " made up stories to gain attention and sympathy or affection from others, particularly women. He noted "[xxxx]" proved to be extraordinarily quick and successful at seducing women while at Hospital 108. In view of "[xxxx]" conduct while at Hospital 108, and if "[xxxx]" and [xxxx] are the same person, Dr. Ly said he would not be surprised that "[xxxx]" made up false stories about U.S. POWs after he returned home. Dr. Ly insisted, however, that Hanoi released all U.S. POWs in 1973 and that "[xxxx]" or any person who claims to have seen U.S. POWs in Hanoi after 1973 is telling a false story.