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SUBJECT: INTERVIEW OF COLONEL DOAN  HANH-FORMER COMMANDER
OFFICE 22, GROUP 875

I. SUMMARY: ON 23 APRIL 1993, DET 2 RESEARCHER/HISTORIAN
INTERVIEWED RETIRED PEOPLE'S ARMY OF VIETNAM (PAVN) COLONEL DOAN
HANH ((DDOANF HANH)). COLONEL HANH COMMANDED ONE SECTION OF
OFFICE 22 OF GROUP 875 OF PAVN'S GENERAL POLITICAL DIRECTORATE (GPD).
THE GPD CREATED GROUP 875 IN ABOUT APRIL 1972 TO MANAGE MATTERS
RELATED TO AMERICAN AND REPUBLIC OF [SOUTH] VIETNAM ARMED FORCES
(RVNAF) PERSONNEL WHO WERE KILLED OR HELD AS PRISONERS OF WAR
(POW) IN NORTH VIETNAM. COLONEL HANH'S SECTION WAS RESPONSIBLE
FOR ADMINISTRATION OF CAMPS HOUSING U.S. POWS IN NORTH VIETNAM.
COLONEL HANH DESCRIBED THE HISTORY, ORGANIZATION, MISSIONS AND
FUNCTIONS, AND PERSONNEL OF GROUP 875. HE DESCRIBED PAVN'S POW
CAMP SYSTEM. HE DISCUSSED PAVN'S PROGRAM TO RECOVER AMERICAN
REMAINS. HE WORKED WITH THE NORTH VIETNAMESE MORTICIAN WHO TOLD
U.S. OFFICIALS ABOUT THE PROGRAM IN 1979. HE CLARIFIED INFORMATION
THE MORTICIAN SUPPLIED CONCERNING REMAINS AND POSSIBLE AMERICANS
WHO VOLUNTARILY REMAINED IN VIETNAM AFTER THE WAR. HE WAS A


PERSONAL FRIEND OF CONVICTED COLLABORATOR [XXXX] [XXXX], WHO
RETURNED TO THE U.S. IN 1979, AND PROVIDED NEW INSIGHTS INTO MR.
[XXXX] ACTIVITIES IN NORTH VIETNAM AND HIS POSSIBLE MOTIVES FOR
FABRICATING STORIES THAT HE SAW U.S. POWS DETAINED IN VIETNAM AFTER
THE WAR. COLONEL HANH SAID HE HAD NO KNOWLEDGE THAT VIETNAM
HAD COLLECTED AND STORED U.S. REMAINS. HE SAID [XXXX] [XXXXX]
REFUSED TO RETURN HOME IN 1973 AND WAS THE ONLY AMERICAN WHO
REMAINED IN VIETNAM AFTER 1973. COLONEL HANH STATED
UNEQUIVOCALLY THAT HANOI RELEASED ALL U.S. POWS IN 1973.

COLONEL HANH APPEARED TO HAVE A CLEAR MEMORY AND A LOGICAL
MIND. HE RESPONDED TO QUESTIONS AND EXCHANGED VIEWS IN A
RELAXED, SPONTANEOUS, AND CANDID MANNER. HE ACKNOWLEDGED WE
COULD NOT COVER ALL TOPICS THOROUGHLY IN ONE INTERVIEW AND
VOLUNTEERED TO FOLLOW-UP INTERVIEWS AT OUR REQUEST. LIEUTENANT
COLONEL (LTC) PHAM TEO, A MEMBER OF THE VIETNAMESE OFFICE FOR
SEEKING MISSING PERSONS (VNOSMP) AND ALSO A FORMER OFFICER OF
GROUP 875, ACCOMPANIED COLONEL HANH AND VOLUNTEERED
CONSTRUCTIVE INFORMATION.

II. KEY POINTS:

1. GROUP 875 WAS FORMED ABOUT APRIL 1972 AND DISBANDED ABOUT
OCTOBER 1974. IT HAD FOUR ELEMENTS: OFFICE 22 MANAGED U.S. POWS.
OFFICE 23 MANAGED RVNAF POWS. OFFICE 24 LOGISTICAL SUPPORT. A
FINANCIAL AFFAIRS OFFICE.

2. GROUP 875 PERSONNEL WERE DRAWN FROM THE ENEMY PROSELYTING
DEPARTMENT AND THE MILITARY SECURITY DEPARTMENT OF THE GENERAL
POLITICAL DIRECTORATE:

A. ENEMY PROSELYTING DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL HANDLED
INDOCTRINATION AND EXPLOITATION OF U.S. POWS AND RECORDS RELATED
TO SPECIFIC U.S. POWS AND MIAS. THEIR RECORDS WERE MAINTAINED
SEPARATE FROM THE MILITARY SECURITY DEPARTMENT.

B. MILITARY SECURITY DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL ACCOMPLISHED THE
DAY-TO-DAY MANAGEMENT OF POW CAMPS. THEY DID NOT KEEP RECORDS
ON INDIVIDUAL U.S. POWS AND DID NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE RECORDS
COMPILED BY THE ENEMY PROSELYTING DEPARTMENT.

3. GROUP 875 RECORDS REPORTEDLY DESTROYED IN 1979 WERE GENERAL

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ADMINISTRATIVE AND LOGISTICS RECORDS COMPILED BY THE MILITARY
SECURITY DEPARTMENT. THOSE RECORDS HAD LITTLE, IF ANY, CASUALTY
RESOLUTION INFORMATION.

4. DISPOSITION OF ENEMY PROSELYTING DEPARTMENT RECORDS REMAINS AN
OPEN QUESTION.

5. GROUP 875 PLAYED A MINOR ROLE IN PAVN'S PROGRAM TO RECOVER U.S.
REMAINS. PERSONNEL OF THE ENEMY PROSELYTING DEPARTMENT AND THE
DEPARTMENT OF MILITARY JUSTICE POSSIBLY COULD PROVIDE MORE
DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROGRAM.

6. IF PAVN WAREHOUSED REMAINS, COLONEL HANH HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF
THE ACTIVITY.

7. COLONEL HANH NEVER KNEW THE IDENTITY OF THE UNIDENTIFIED BLACK
MAN WHOSE REMAINS HE HELPED DISCOVER IN CHI HOA CEMETERY IN
SAIGON IN JANUARY 1976.

8. COLONEL HANH WAS DEPUTY COMMANDER OF GROUP 776 FROM THE TIME
IT WAS FORMED IN JULY 1976 UNTIL IT DISBANDED IN ABOUT OCTOBER 1978.
GROUP 776 ADMINISTERED SIX GROUPS OF REEDUCATION CAMPS IN HOANG
LIEN SON PROVINCE; INCLUDING CAMP GROUP FOUR LOCATED NORTH OF
THACH BA LAKE. [XXXX] [XXXX] WAS ON THE STAFF OF CAMP GROUP
ONE, SOUTH OP YEN BAI TOWN, DURING THIS PERIOD. COLONEL HANH
STATED UNEQUIVOCALLY NO AMERICANS WERE HELD IN GROUP 776'S AREA
AND THAT [XXXX][XXXX] FABRICATED HIS STORY THAT HE SAW U.S.
POWS ON AN ISLAND IN THACH BA LAKE IN 1978.

9. CONVICTED COLLABORATOR, FORMER USMC PRIVATE [XXXX][XXXXX],
ANNOUNCED HIS INTENTION TO DEFECT TO COMMUNIST FORCES
WHEN HE ENCOUNTERED ARMED GUERRILLAS NEAR DA NANG IN SEPTEMBER
1965.

10. [XXXX][XXXX] REFUSED TO RETURN HOME WHEN POWS WERE
RELEASED IN 1973. HE WAS THE ONLY AMERICAN WHO REMAINED IN NORTH
VIETNAM AFTER THE WAR.

11. COLONEL HANH SUGGESTED MR. NGUYEN VAN THUONG, FORMER
DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE ENEMY PROSELYTING DEPARTMENT, NOW
RETIRED IN NAM HA PROVINCE, COULD PROVIDE DETAILS ABOUT THE ENEMY
PROSELYTING DEPARTMENT RECORDS, THE PAVN POW CAMP SYSTEM, AND
[XXXX][XXXX] ACTIVITIES PRIOR TO MID-1976.

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12. HANOI RELEASED ALL U.S. POWS 1T WAS HOLDING IN 1973.

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DISCUSSION:

1. DOAN HANH: COLONEL HANH IS A 74 YEARS OLD (DOB: 1919) NATIVE OF
NORTH VIETNAM. HE WAS A STAFF OFFICER OF THE DEPARTMENT OF
MILITARY SECURITY (DMS) ((CUCJ AN NINH QUAAN DDOOU; AKA CUCJ BAOR
VEEJ QUAAN DDOOIJ)). THE DMS IS RESPONSIBLE FOR INTERNAL SECURITY IN
THE PAVN. IN EARLY 1972 HE ENTERED A TWO-YEAR POLITICAL COURSE. IN
ABOUT APRIL 1972 HE RECEIVED ORDERS TO LEAVE THE SCHOOL AND TAKE A
POSITION AS THE COMMANDER OF OFFlCE 22 OF GROUP 875. HE REMAINED IN
THIS POSITION UNTIL GROUP 875 WAS DISBANDED IN ABOUT OCTOBER 1974.
HE WAS ASSIGNED NEW DUTIES WITHIN THE DMS. IN JANUARY 1976 HE LED A
SMALL TEAM OF SPECIALISTS TO SAIGON TO EXHUME THE REMAINS OF TWO
U.S. MARINES AND PREPARE THEM FOR RELEASE TO MEMBERS OF U.S.
SENATOR TED KENNEDY'S STAFF. IN JULY 1977 HE BECAME THE DEPUTY
COMMANDER OF THE GPD'S NEWLY ESTABLISHED GROUP 776, WHICH BUILT
AND ADMINISTERED A SPRAWLING SYSTEM OF REEDUCATION CAMPS IN
HOANG LIEN SON (YEN BAp PROVINCE FOR FORMER OFFICERS OF THE
REPUBLIC OF VIETNAM ARMED FORCES. HE HELD THIS POSITION UNTIL
GROUP 776 WAS DISBANDED IN ABOUT OCTOBER 1978. HE HAS BEEN RETIRED
FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

2. SUMMARY HISTORY OF GROUP 875:

A. TRADITIONALLY, THE ENEMY PROSELYTING DEPARTMENT (EPD)
((CUCJ DDICHJ VAANO OF PAVN'S GENERAL POLITICAL DIRECTORATE (GPD)
((TOONGR CUCJ CHINHS TRIJ)) HAD RESPONSIBILITY FOR ALL MATTERS
RELATED TO POWS AND MIAS FROM THE U.S. AND REPUBLIC OF VIETNAM
ARMED FORCES (RVNAF). THE EPD WAS A RELATIVELY SMALL DEPARTMENT
AND HAD SEVERAL RESPONSIBILITIES NOT RELATED TO POWS AND MIAS--
MOSTLY FOCUSED ON UNDERMINING THE EFFECTIVENESS OF ENEMY ARMED
FORCES.

B. ALTHOUGH THE EPD CONDUCTED ALL INDOCTRINATION AND
EXPLOITATION OF POWS AND MAINTAINED RECORDS CONCERNING
INDIVIDUAL U.S. POWS AND MIAS, IT DID NOT OPERATE INDEPENDENT
PRISONS OR POW CAMPS IN NORTH VIETNAM. IN THE EARLY YEARS OF THE
VIETNAM WAR, WHEN PAVN HELD RELATIVELY FEW U.S. AND RVNAF POWS
IN NORTH VIETNAM, THE EPD HOUSED THE POWS IN BORROWED SPACE IN
PRISONS ADMINISTERED BY THE PUBLIC SECURITY SERVICE (PSS) ((BOOJ
COONG AN)).

C. AS THE WAR CONTINUED, THE NUMBER OF U.S. AND RVNAF POWS IN
NORTH- VIETNAMESE PRISONS INCREASED. THE PAVN CAPTURED LARGE
NUMBERS OF RVNAF POWS IN LAOS IN THE SPRING OF 1971 AND IN QUANG TRI
PROVINCE DURING THE SPRING OF 1972. BY THE SPRING OF 1972, THE
NUMBERS OF U.S. AND RVNAF POWS OVERWHELMED THE PSS PRISON SYSTEM.

D. TO COPE WITH THE GROWING NUMBER OF U.S. AND RVNAF POWS,
THE GPD CREATED A NEW ORGANIZATION TO PERFORM THE FULL RANGE OF
FUNCTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE DETENTION AND EXPLOITATION OF U.S.
AND RVNAF POWS HELD IN NORTH VIETNAM. THIS ORGANIZATION WAS
ESTABLISHED IN ABOUT APRIL 1972 AND WAS DESIGNATED GROUP 875.

E. GROUP 875 WAS COMPRISED OF FOUR SECTIONS RESPONSIBLE FOR
U.S. POWS, RVNAF POWS, LOGISTICS, AND FINANCES, RESPBCTIVELY. GROUP
875 ADMINISTERED FOUR POW CAMPS FOR U.S. POWS UNTIL HANOI RELEASED
ALL U.S. POWS IN 1973. GROUP 875 ALSO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE GRAVES
OF THE 23 AMERICAN SERVICEMEN WHO DIED AFTER ENTERING THE POW
SYSTEM IN HANOI.

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F. SHORTLY AFTER MARCH 1974, WHEN HANOI REPATRIATED THE
REMAINS OF THE 23 MEN WHO DIED IN THE HANOI PRISONS, THE GPD ISSUED
INSTRUCTIONS TO DISBAND GROUP 875. GROUP 875 WENT OUT OF EXISTENCE
IN ABOUT OCTOBER 1974.

3. MISSION OF GROUP 875: GROUP 875 WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FULL
RANGE OF FUNCTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE DETENTION AND
EXPLOITATION OF U.S. AND RVNAF POWS HELD IN NORTH VIETNAM. THE
FUNCTIONS WERE DIVIDED INTO FOUR CATEGORIES ONE, INDOCTRINATION
AND EXPLOITATION; TWO, ADMINISTRATION AND CARE; THREE, LOGISTICS;
AND FOUR, FINANCE AND ACCOUNTING. COLONEL DOAN HANH'S SECTION OF
GROUP 875 COORDINATED THE MOVEMENT OF U.S. POWS FROM POINT OF
CAPTURE TO THE PRISON SYSTEM IN HANOI. HIS SECTION ALSO TOOK
INJURED AND SICK U.S. POWS TO THE HOSPITAL, AND ARRANGED THE BURIAL
OF DECEASED U.S. POWS.

A. EVACUATION OF U.S. CAPTIVES TO HANOI: LOCAL COMMANDS IN
NORTH VIETNAM REPORTED BY TELEPHONE TO COLONEL HANH'S SECTION OF
OFFICE 22 WHENEVER THE LOCAL COMMAND CAPTURED OR KILLED AN
AMERICAN.

(1) IF THE LOCAL COMMAND REPORTED IT HAD CAPTURED AN
AMERICAN, COLONEL HANH NORMALLY WOULD INSTRUCT THE COMMAND TO
ESCORT THE PRISONER TO THE GROUP 875 DUTY OFFICE AT NO. 3 DUONG
THANH STREET, HANOI. DEPENDING ON CIRCUMSTANCES, HE MIGHT
INSTRUCT THE LOCAL COMMAND TO ESCORT THE POW DIRECTLY TO A
SPECIFIC PRISON. IN SOME INSTANCES, ESPECIALLY IF THE POW WAS
LOCATED NEAR HANOI OR THE LOCAL COMMAND LACKED THE MEANS TO
EVACUATE THE POW, COLONEL HANH WOULD DISPATCH HIS PERSONNEL IN A
VEHICLE TO ESCORT THE POW BACK TO HANOI.

(2) IF THE LOCAL COMMAND REPORTED IT HAD KILLED AN
AMERICAN, COLONEL HANH NORMALLY WOULD INSTRUCT THE COMMAND TO
BURY THE BODY LOCALLY AND TO SEND A REPORT OF THE DETAILS TO
HANOI. HE SAID LOCAL AUTHORITIIES WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR SELECTING
AND MAINTAINING THE SPECIFIC GRAVE SITE AND RECORDING THE
INFORMATION.

(3) COLONEL HANH SAID THE LOCAL COMMANDS INVARIABLY
DID NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO QUESTION A PRISONER OR READ AND
UNDERSTAND ANY DOCUMENTS THEY MIGHT FIND ON A CAPTURED OR DEAD
AMERICAN. FOR THAT REASON, HE RECALLED, LOCAL AUTHORITIES NEVER

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REPORTED THE NAME OF THE CAPTIVE OR DEAD AMERICAN. COLONEL HANH
OBSERVED THAT THIS WAS NEVER A CONCERN TO HIM. HE NOTED HE DID
NOT NEED NAMES SINCE HE WAS CONCERNED ONLY WITH THE LOGISTICS OF
MOVING, HOUSING, AND CARING FOR NUMBERS OF CAPTIVES.

(4) THE ENEMY PROSELYTING DEPARTMENT WAS RESPONSIBLE
FOR THESE FUNCTIONS BEFORE GROUP 875 WAS FORMED. COLONEL HANH
BELIEVED THE ENEMY PROSELYTING DEPARTMENT CUSTOMARILY RECEIVED
ALL NEW PRISONERS DIRECTLY INTO HAO LO (HANOI HILTON) PRISON.

       B. MEDICAL TREATMENT FOR U.S. POWS: COLONEL HANH SAID THAT
ALL SERIOUSLY INJURED AND SICK U.S. POWS WERE TREATED AT MILITARY
HOSPITAL 108 IN HANOI. HIS SECTION WOULD TAKE THE PRISONER TO THE
HOSPITAL AND SECURE THE PRISONER DURING HIS STAY AT THE HOSPITAL.
IF THE POW DIED AT THE HOSPITAL, COLONEL HANH'S SECTION WAS
RESPONSIBLE FOR ARRANGING FOR THE BURIAL AT VAN DIEN CEMETERY.
COLONEL HANH UNDERSTOOD THAT THE HOSPITAL HAD DESIGNATED A
SPECIAL TEAM TO EXAMINE AND TREAT U.S. POWS. THE HOSPITAL ALSO
RESERVED A SPECIFIC ROOM OR AREA OF THE HOSPITAL EXCLUSIVELY FOR
TREATMENT OF U.S. POWS. GROUP 875 DID NOT MAINTAIN ANY RECORDS OF
THE MEDICAL TREATMENT. COLONEL HANH DID NOT KNOW WHAT RECORDS
THE HOSPITAL MAINTAINED. ((COMMENT: IN MAY-JUNE 1992, DET 2
RESEARCHER/HISTORIAN INTERVIEWED MEMBERS OF THE CURRENT AND WAR
TIME STAFF OF HOSPITAL 108. THEY CONFIRMED HOSPITAL 108 WAS THE
ONLY HOSPITAL THAT TREATED U.S. POWS. DOCTORS AT HOSPITAL 108
SIGNED THE DEATH CERTIFICATES U.S. OFFICIALS RECEIVED IN 1973 FOR
EACH OF THE U.S. POWS WHO DIED IN THE HANOI PRISONS.))

C. BURIAL OF DECEASED CAPTIVES: COLONEL HANH SAID HE WAS
RESPONSIBLE ONLY FOR THE REMAINS OF THE 23 AMERICANS WHO DIED IN
PRISONS IN NORTH VIETNAM. HE SAID THE CEMETERY MANAGEMENT
COMMITTEE OF HANOI CITY BURIED THE BODIES AT VAN DIEN CEMETERY
((VIC 48QWJ882150)), SOUTH OF HANOI. THE CEMETERY MANAGEMENT
COMMITTEE ALSO MAINTAINED ALL RECORDS CONCERNING THE GRAVE
SITES. HE EXPLAINED THAT WHEN HE RECEIVED NOTICE THAT A PRISONER
HAD DIED, HIS RESPONSIBILITY WAS TO PURCHASE THE SHROUD AND CASKET,
ARRANGE FOR THE CEMETERY MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE TO PREPARE THE
GRAVE, AND TRANSPORT THE BODY TO VAN DIEN CEMETERY FOR BURIAL.
COLONEL HANH SAID HIS SECTION DID NOT MAINTAIN RECORDS CONCERNING
ANY GRAVES OR DECEASED AMERICANS OTHER THAN THE 23 AMERICANS
BURIED AT VAN DIEN.

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4. ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE OF GROUP 875: GROUP 875 WAS ORGANIZED
INTO FOUR UNITS, OR OFFICES:

- OFFICE 22 ((PHONGF 22)): ADMINISTERED CAMPS FOR U.S.
POWS

- OFFICE 23 ((PHONGF 23)): ADMINISTERED CAMPS FOR
RVNAF POWS

- OFFICE 24 ((PHONGF 24)): LOGISTICS

- FINANCIAL AFFAIRS OFFICE ((PHONGF TAIF VUJ))

A. PHONG 22. GROUP 875: OFFICE 22 WAS RESPONSIBLE EXCLUSIVELY
FOR HANDLING U.S. POWS HELD IN THE PRISONS IN NORTH VIETNAM. OFFICE
22 WAS DIVIDED INTO TWO SECTIONS WITH SEPARATE FUNCTIONS.

(1) COLONEL HANH'S SECTION OF OFFICE 22 WAS RESPONSIBLE
FOR THE DAY-TO-DAY ADMINISTRATION AND CARE OF POWS-HOUSING,
PHYSICAL SECURITY, FOOD, CLOTHING, MEDICAL CARE, ETC--AT FOUR POW
CAMPS IN NORTH VIETNAM. THE PERSONNEL IN HIS SECTION CAME FROM
THE MILITARY SECURITY DEPARTMENT.

(A) COLONEL DOAN HANH COMMANDED THIS SECTION. HIS
DEPUTY AND CHIEF OF LOGISTICS WAS MAJOR PHAM VAN HUAN ((PHAMJ
HUAANS)). COLONEL HANH WORKED UNDER THE DIRECTION OF COLONEL
PHAM THAI ((PHAMJ THAIS)), DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE MILITARY SECURITY
DEPARTMENT. COLONEL PHAM THAI IS DECEASED. ((COMMENT: IN 1979 THE
MORTICIAN NOTED IN SUMMARY, ABOVE, GAVE U.S. OFFICIALS A DOCUMENT
DATED 1972 SIGNED BY COLONEL HANH AS THE CHIEF OF OFFICE 22, GROUP
875, GPD. IN JUNE 1992, DET 2 RESEARCHER/HISTORIAN INTERVIEWED
COLONEL HANH'S DEPUTY, RETIRED LIEUTENANT COLONEL PHAM VAN
HUAN, AKA PHAM VAN MOAN, IN HANOI.))

(B) NONE OF THE PAVN PERSONNEL IN THIS SECTION SPOKE
ENGLISH. THEY WERE NOT DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THE INDOCTRINATION
AND EXPLOITATION OF POWS AND DID NOT KEEP RECORDS ON INDIVIDUAL
POWS. NORMALLY THEY KNEW ONLY THE ASSIGNED VIETNAMESE NICKNAME
OF INDIVIDUAL POWS.

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(C) COLONEL HANH ADMINISTERED FOUR CAMPS FOR U.S.
POWS--THREE IN HANOI AND ONE IN CAO BANG PROVINCE:

- THE PAVN FILM STUDIO AT 17 LY NAM DE STREET AND THE
ANNEX BEHIND NO. 2 LY NAM DE STREET, IN HANOI;

- THE PAVN FILM STUDIO AT THE TU SO INTERSECTION ((NGAX
TUW SOWR)) ON THE SOUTHWEST EDGE OF HANOI;

- HOA LO PRISON ((HANOI HILTON)), IN HANOI; AND,

- CAMP DONG KHE ((DDOONG KHEE)) AT BO GIOUNG ((BOS
GIUOWNGF VILLAGE)), DONG KHE DISTRICT, CAO BANG
PROVINCE.

COLONEL HANH WAS AWARE THE ENEMY PROSELYTING DEPARTMENT HAD
PLACED U.S. POWS IN SOME OTHER FACILITIES OUTSIDE OF HANOI BEFORE
GROUP 875 WAS FORMED; BUT HE HAD NO DIRECT RESPONSIBILITY FOR OR
KNOWLEDGE OF THOSE FACILITIES. HE WAS NOT AWARE OF ANY U.S. POWS
HELD OUTSIDE OF THE CAMPS UNDER HIS JURISDICTION AFTER GROUP 875
WAS FORMED. SEE DISCUSSION OF POW CAMPS BELOW FOR ADDITIONAL
DETAILS.

(2) THE OTHER SECTION OF OFFICE 22 WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR
INDOCTRINATION AND EXPLOITATION OF U.S. POWS. COLONEL HANH AND
MEMBERS OF HIS SECTION DID NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS
AND RECORDS OF THIS SECTION.

(A) THE PERSONNEL IN THIS SECTION WERE MEMBERS OF
THE ENEMY PROSELYTING DEPARTMENT. MOST OF THESE PERSONNEL SPOKE
ENGLISH. THIS SECTION ASSIGNED ONE "ADMINISTRATOR AND
INDOCTRINATOR". ((QUANR GIAO)) FOR APPROXIMATELY EVERY 10 U.S. POWS.
THIS SECTION AND ITS PERSONNEL MAINTAINED RECORDS RELATED TO
INDIVIDUAL POWS. COLONEL HANH RECALLED THE FOLLOWING MEMBERS OF
THIS SECTION:

- DUNG ((ZUNG)). LAST NAME UNKNOWN, INTERPRETER.
COLONEL HANH AND LTC TEO HEARD THIS MAN MOVED TO SOUTH VIETNAM
IN ABOUT 1976, AND POSSIBLY TRANSFERRED TO THE CUSTOMS
    DEPARTMENT.

- NGUYEN MINH Y ((NGUYEENX M[NH Y)). INTERPRETER.
((COMMENT: DET 2 RESEARCHER/HISTORIAN INTERVIEWED COLONEL Y IN

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HANOI IN MAY-JUNE 1992. HE FURNISHED LITTLE USEFUL INFORMATION
ABOUT GROUP 875'S ACTIVITIES AND RECORDS))

(B) THE INDOCTRINATION AND EXPLOITATION SECTION OF
OFFICE 22 WAS HEADED BY LE THUC DAI ((LEE THUCS DDAIJ)), WHO IS
DECEASED. DAI WORKED UNDER THE DIRECTION OF NGUYEN VAN THUONG
((NGUYEENX VAWN THUOWNGF)), THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE ENEMY
PROSELYTING DEPARTMENT. COLONEL HANH SUGGESTED MR. THUONG
COULD PROVIDE DETAILS ABOUT THE INDOCTRINATION AND EXPLOITATION
SECTION, THE PAVN POW CAMP SYSTEM, AND [XXXX] [XXXX]
ACTIVITIES PRIOR TO MID-1976. ((COMMENT: MR. THUONG IS RETIRED AND
LIVES IN NAM HA PROVINCE, SOUTH OF HANOI. THE JTF-FA HAS ASKED FOR
AN INTERVIEW WITH HIM. LTC TEO INFORMED DET 2 RESEARCHER/HISTORIAN
ON 27 APRIL 1993 THAT A VNOSMP SPECIALIST SPOKE WITH MR. THUONG ON
26 APRIL 1993, AND CONFIRMED HE IS WILLING TO MEET WITH US.))

B. PHONG 23. GROUP 875: OFFICE 23 WAS RESPONSIBLE EXCLUSIVELY
FOR HANDLING RVNAF POWS IN PRISONS IN NORTH VIETNAM. OFFICE 23 WAS
ORGANIZED SIMILAR TO OFFICE 22, DESCRIBED ABOVE. CHIEF OF SECTION
NOT KNOWN.

C. PHONG 24. GROUP 875: OFFICE 24 WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR LOGISTICAL
SUPPORT TO GROUP 875 OPERATIONS. CHIEF OF SECTION NOT KNOWN.

D. PHONG TAI VU. GROUP 875: FINANCIAL AFFAIRS OFFICE. THE HEAD
OF THIS SECTION WAS MR. LUONG NGOC QUYEN ((LUOWNG NGOCJ
QUYEENS)), NOW DECEASED.

5. GROUP 875 RECORDS: COLONEL HANH'S SECTION DID NOT CREATE OR
RECEIVE RECORDS RELATED TO INDIVIDUAL POWS. HIS SECIION CREATED
AND MAINTAINED RECORDS RELATED TO THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE POW
CAMPS; FOR EXAMPLE, THE NUMBER OF BLANKETS ISSUED TO A POW CAMP,
FUNDS ALLOCATED FOR FOOD, AND MEDICAL SUPPLIES EXPENDED. HE
EXPLAINED THAT WHEN NEW PRISONERS ARRIVED AT A CAMP, HE DID NOT
NEED TO KNOW THE NAMES OF THE POWS; HE ONLY NEEDED TO KNOW HOW
MANY POWS SO HE COULD ISSUE THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF BLANKETS,
CLOTHING, ETC.

A. INDIVIDUAL POWS. THE ENEMY PROSELYTING DEPARTMENT
SPECIALISTS ASSIGNED TO THE INDOCTRINATION AND EXPLOITATION
SECTION OF OFFICE 22, GROUP 875, WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL RECORDS
CONCERNING INDIVIDUAL POWS. COLONEL HANH DID NOT KNOW THE

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CONTENT OF THESE RECORDS OR THEIR CURRENT DISPOSITION. HE
SUGGESTED MR. NGUYEN VAN THUONG, FORMER DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE
ENEMY PROSELYTING DEPARTMENT, COULD PROVIDE INFORMATION ABOUT
THESE RECORDS. ((SEE PARA 4B(2)(B), ABOVE.))

B. REMAINS. SEE 3C, ABOVE.

6. DESTRUCTION OF GROUP 875'S RECORDS. DET 2 RESEARCHER/HISTORIAN
ASKED COLONEL HANH TO COMMENT ON REPORTS THAT GROUP 875'S
RECORDS WERE DESTROYED BY FIRE IN 1979. COLONEL HANH AGREED THE
RECORDS FOR HIS SECTION-I.E., THE ADMINISTRATION AND CARE SECTION
OF OFFICE 22, WHICH HAD BEEN STORED AT NO. 3 DUONG THANH STREET,
WERE DESTROYED IN ABOUT 1979. HE EXPLAINED THAT THE FILES WERE NO
LONGER OF VALUE AND, IN ANY EVENT, HAD BECOME INFESTED WITH
INSECTS. HE DID NOT KNOW THE DISPOSITION OF THE RECORDS CREATED BY
THE ENEMY PROSELYTING DEPARTMENT'S SECTION OF OFFICE 22.

7. U.S. POW CAMPS IN NORTH VIETNAM: COLONEL DOAN HANH HAD DIRECT
RESPONSIBILITY FOR ONLY FOUR DETENTION SITES FOR U.S. POWS IN NORTH
VIETNAM: 17 LY NAM DE STREET AND ITS ANNEX BEHIND NO. 2 LY NAM DE
STREET, IN HANOI; THE PAVN FILM STUDIO AT TU SO INTERSECTION IN
HANOI; HOA LO PRISON ((HANOI HILTON)), IN HANOI; AND CAMP DONG KHE IN
CAO BANG PROVINCE. HE WAS AWARE OF SEVERAL OTHER CAMPS THAT THE
ENEMY PROSELYTING DEPARTMENT HAD USED BEFORE GROUP 875 WAS
FORMED. HE WAS NOT SPECIFICALLY AWARE THAT THE ENEMY
PROSELYTING DEPARTMENT HELD ANY U.S. POWS IN ANY CAMP OUTSIDE HIS
JURISDICTION AFTER GROUP 875 WAS FORMED. HE PROVIDED THE
FOLLOWING COMMENTS CONCERNING THE 11 CAMPS IN NORTH VIETNAM
KNOWN TO U.S. ANALYSTS:

A. 17 LY NAM DE STREET, HANOI ((210209N/1055102E)). OFFICES OF THE
PAVN FILM INSTITUTE. CONVERTED TO USE AS A POW CAMP. ADMINISTERED
BY GROUP 875. THE SMALL FACILITY BEHIND THE OFFICES OF THE MILITARY
LITERATURE MAGAZINE ((VAN NGHE QUAN DOI)) AT NO. 2 LY NAM DE STREET
((210216N/1055100E)) WAS AN ANNEX TO THE CAMP AT 17 LY NAM DE STREET.
THE ANNEX WAS USED TO HOLD POWS THE ENEMY PROSELYTING
DEPARTMENT CONSIDERED TO BE DISCIPLINARY PROBLEMS. ALL U.S. POWS
HELD AT BOTH SITES WERE REPATRIATED IN 1973. ((COMMENT: PAVN BEGAN
USING THE 17 LY NAM DE STREET SITE AS A POW CAMP A FEW YEARS BEFORE
GROUP 875 WAS FORMED. APPARENTLY THE ENEMY PROSELYTING
DEPARTMENT ADMINISTERED IT PRIOR TO MID-1972. THE FILM STUDIO, THE
ENEMY PROSELYTING DEPARTMENT, AND GROUP 875 ALL WERE



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SUBORDINATE TO THE GENERAL POLITICAL DIRECTORATE. DET 2
RESEARCHER/HISTORIAN VISITED 17 LY NAM DE STREET AND INTERVIEWED
MEMBERS OF THE STAFF OF THE FILM STUDIO IN MAY-JUNE 1992. NEW
CONSTRUCTION HAS REPLACED THE SITE BEHIND NO. 2 LY NAM DE STREET.))

B. YEN PHU ((YEEN PHUJ)) THERMAL POWER PLANT ((210233N/1055053E)),
HANOI. COLONEL HANH HAD HEARSAY KNOWLEDGE THAT U.S. POWS WERE
DETAINED AT THIS SITE FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME, BUT HE BELIEVED PAVN
HAD STOPPED USING THE SITE BEFORE GROUP 875 WAS ESTABLISHED. HE WAS
AWARE THAT ON ONE OCCASION TWO U.S. POWS ESCAPED FROM THE
FACILITY AND TRIED TO MAKE THEIR WAY DOWN THE RED RIVER TO THE
SEA, BUT WERE RECAPTURED AFTER A BRIEF PERIOD. HE HAD NO OTHER
SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE USE OF THIS FACILITY AS A DETENTION
SITE FOR U.S. POWS. ALL U.S. POWS HELD HERE WERE REPATRIATED IN 1973.


C. HOA LO (HANOI HILTON) ((210126N/1O55lOlE)). FRENCH-BUILT
PRISON. ADMINISTERED BY GROUP 875 AND THE PUBLIC SECURITY SERVICE.
ALL U.S. POWS HELD HERE WERE REPATRIATED IN 1973. ((COMMENT:
COMMANDER DET 2 VISITED THIS PRISON AND SPOKE WITH MEMBERS OF THE
STAFF IN NOVEMBER 1992 AND MARCH 1993. RETURNED U.S. POWS REPORT
ALL AMERICANS HELD HERE WERE RELEASED.))

D. TU SU INTERSECTION ((210000N/1054930E)). STUDIO AND OFFICES OF
THE PAVN FILM INSTITUTE. CONVERTED TO USE AS A POW CAMP.
ADMINISTERED BY GROUP 875. ALL U.S. POWS HELD HERE WERE
REPATRIATED IN 1973. ((COMMENT: PAVN BEGAN USING THIS SITE AS A POW
CAMP A FEW YEARS BEFORE GROUP 875 WAS FORMED. APPARENTLY THE
ENEMY PROSELYTING DEPARTMENT ADMINISTERED THIS SITE PRIOR TO MID-
1972. THE FILM STUDIO, THE ENEMY PROSELYTING DEPARTMENT, AND
GROUP 875 ALL WERE SUBORDINATE TO THE GENERAL POLITICAL
DIRECTORATE. DET 2 RESEARCHER/HISTORIAN VISITED THIS SITE WITH A
FORMER POW, CONGRESSMAN PETERSON, IN JULY 1991. RETURNED U.S. POWS
REPORT ALL AMERICANS HELD HERE WERE RELEASED.))

E. LAI XA ((210401N/1054323E)). COLONEL HANH HAD NO SPECIFIC
KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THIS KNOWN DETENTION SITE FOR U.S. POWS, WHICH
WAS LOCATED IN A MILITARY INSTALLATION ABOUT 10 KM WEST OF HANOI.
((COMMENT: RETURNED U.S. POWS REPORT ALL AMERICANS HELD HERE WERE
RELEASED.))

F. BAT BAT ((BAATS BAT)) ((210908N/1052031E)). COLONEL HANH
BELIEVED PAVN HAD MOVED ALL U.S. POWS OUT OF THIS SITE BEFORE GROUP

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875 WAS ESTABLISHED. HE SAID BAT BAT WAS THE NAME OF A MILITARY
PRISON OPERATED BY THE DEPARTMENT MILITARY JUSTICE. HE SAID IT WAS
USED TO DETAIN MEMBERS OF PAVN WHO HAD BEEN CONVICTED BY
MILITARY COURTS. HE AND LTC TEO ALSO NOTED THAT AFTER 1975 THERE
WERE TWO REEDUCATION CAMPS NEAR BAT BAT FOR FORMER RVNAF
OFFICERS ONE ABOUT 500-600 METERS WEST OF BAT BAT AND THE OTHER
ABOUT 4 KM EAST. BOTH OFFICERS ALSO NOTED THAT PRIOR TO MID-1976
[XXXX][XXXX] LIVED AT A CAMP NAMED TRAI TRE ((TRAD TRE)), IN SON
DA VILLAGE ((SOWN DDAF)), ABOUT TWO KM FROM BAT BAT. ((COMMENT:
U.S. POWS REFERRED TO THIS CAMP AS THE BRIARPATCH. RETUTNED U.S.
POWS REPORT ALL AMERICANS HELD HERE WERE RELEASED.))

G. SON TAY ((210836N/1055053E)). COLONEL HANH HAD HEARD THAT
U.S. POWS WERE HELD AT THIS SITE FOR SOME PERIOD, BUT BELIEVED PAVN
STOPPED USING THIS SITE TO DETAIN U.S. POWS BEFORE GROUP 875 WAS
ESTABLISHED. HE KNEW THAT U.S. FORCES RAIDED THIS CAMP IN 1970,
AFTER U.S. POWS HAD BEEN MOVED. HE HAD NO OTHER SPECIFIC
KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THIS CAMP. ((COMMENT: RETURNED U.S. POWS REPORT
ALL AMERICANS HELD HERE WERE RELEASED.))

H. NAM HA ((203324N/1054730E)). COLONEL HANH KNEW THIS WAS A
PRISON ADMINISTERED BY THE PUBLIC SECURITY SERVICE (NOW MINISTRY
OF INTERIOR), BUT HAD NO OTHER SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THIS KNOWN
DETENTION SITE FOR U.S. POWS ABOUT 35 KM SOUTH OF HANOI. LTC TEO
SAID HE VISITED THIS SITE ON A FEW OCCASIONS IN THE LATE 1970S TO
INTERVIEW FORMER RVNAF OFFICERS WHO WERE DETAINED THERE FOR
REEDUCATION. ((COMMENT: RETURNED U.S. POWS REPORT ALL AMERICANS
HELD HERE WERE RELEASED. U.S. OFFICIALS HAVE INTERVIEWED SEVERAL
FORMER RVNAF OFFICERS HELD HERE AFTER THE WAR. ALSO, SEVERAL
WESTERN JOURNALISTS AND HUMAN RIGHTS GROUPS VISITED THIS SITE
AFTER THE WAR.))

I. CAU BIEU ((CAAUF BIEEU)), AKA THANH LIET ((205747N/1054907E)).
COLONEL HANH KNEW THIS WAS A PRISON OPERATED BY THE PUBLIC
SECURITY SERVICE (NOW MINISTRY OF INTERIOR), BUT HAD NO OTHER
SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THIS KNOWN DETENTION SITE FOR U.S. POWS
IN THE SOUTHERN SUBURBS OF HANOI. ((COMMENT: RETURNED U.S. POWS
REPORT ALL AMERICANS HELD HERE WERE RELEASED. U.S. SENATOR KERRY
AND MEMBERS OF DET 2, JTF-FA VISITED THIS SITE IN 1992.))

J. DAO TRU VILLAGE (VIC 212915N/1053336E)). COLONEL HANH HAD NO
SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THIS KNOWN DETENTION SITE FOR U.S. POWS

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ABOUT 60 KM NORTHWEST OF HANOI. ((COMMENT: RETURNED U.S. POWS
REPORT ALL AMERICANS HELD HERE WERE RELEASED. A GROUP OF FORMER
POWS AND A FILM CREW VISITED THIS SITE IN MARCH 1993.))

K. DONG KHE ((DDOONG KHEE)) ((222827N1062440E)). COLONEL HANH
SAID THIS CAMP WAS OPENED AFTER THE U.S. STEPPED UP ITS BOMBING
ACTIVITIES IN THE HANOI AREA IN 1972. HE SAID HE PERSONALLY ESCORTED
THE POWS TO THIS SITE. HE SAID PAVN RELEASED ALL U.S. POWS HELD AT
THIS SITE IN 1973. HE EXPLAINED PAVN MOVED THE POWS TO THIS LOCATION
NEAR THE CHINESE BORDER, ABOUT 190 KM NORTH OF HANOI, TO PROTECT
THEM FROM ACCIDENTAL BOMBING BY U.S. AIR FORCES. COLONEL HANH
SAID PAVN LEADERS KNEW THE POWS WOULD BE SAFE HERE BECAUSE THE
U.S. DID NOT CONDUCT AIR STRIKES IN A BUFFER ZONE ALONG THE CHINA-
VIETNAM BORDER. ((COMMENT: A DET 2, JTF-FA INVESTIGATOR VISITED THIS
SITE IN 1992.))

8. PAVN'S PROGRAM TO RECOVER U.S. REMAINS: COLONEL HANH WAS
ASKED TO DESCRIBE GROUP 875'S ROLE IN ADMINISTERING A PROGRAM PAVN
INITIATED IN 1972 TO RECOVER REMAINS OF AMERICANS WHO DIED BEFORE
THEY ENTERED THE POW SYSTEM.

A. INITIALLY, COLONEL HANH QUESTIONED Wl{ED{ER GROUP 875 EVER
PARTICIPATED IN THE PROGRAM. HE WAS AWARE OF THE PROGRAM, BUT
BELIEVED THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR RECOVERING REMAINS RESTED WITH
LOCAL MILITARY AUTHORITIES. LTC TEO CONFIRMED THAT GROUP 875
INDPFD PARTICIPATED IN THE PROGRAM ON A LIMITED AND CASE-BY-CASE
BASIS.

B. COLONEL HANH SAID UNEQUIVOCALLY HE BELIEVED THAT BY THE
DATE GROUP 875 WAS DISBANDED IN LATE 1974, PAVN HAD RECOVERED
REMAINS OF ONLY 25 AMERICANS--THE 23 WHO DIED IN HANOI PRISONS AND
TWO MARINES WHO WERE KILLED DURING 1HE EVACUATION OF SAIGON AND
WHOSE REMAINS WERE LEFT AT THE 7TH DAY ADVENTIST HOSPITAL ((BEENHJ
VIEENJ COW DDOOCS)) IN APRIL 1975. HE SAID THAT WHEN GROUP 875 WAS
DISBANDED, THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR COORDINATING THE REMAINS
RECOVERY PROGRAM WAS PASSED TO THE DEPARTMENT OF MILITARY
JUSTICE (DMj)((CUCJ QUAAN PHAPS)). HB SAID LTC TEO ALSO WAS
TRANSFERRED TO THE DMJ TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM.

C. COLONEL HANH EXPLAINED THAT AFTER  GROUP 875 WAS
DISBANDED, THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR RECOVERING U.S. REMAINS WAS
ASSIGNED AS FOLLOWS. THE RECOVERY OF REMAINS WAS CARRIED OUT

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UNDER THE GUIDANCE OF THE CENTRAL GOVERNMENT. ((COMMENT: THE
VNOSMP WAS ESTABLISHED UNDER THE PRIME MINISTER'S OFFICE CIRCA
1978-79.)) FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE U.S. REQUESTED RECOVERY OF SOME
SPECIFIC REMAINS, THE CENTRAL GOVERNMENT WOULD DIRECT BOTH LOCAL
AUTHORITIES AND THE MILITARY TO JOINTLY CARRY OUT THE TASK. ONCE
THE TASK WAS ACCOMPLISHED THE DEPARTMENT OF MILITARY JUSTICE
BECAME RESPONSIBLE FOR DISPOSITION OF THE REMAINS.

D. HE HAD NO SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE OF REMAINS RECOVERY
ACTIVITIES BY REGIONAL AND PROVINCE MILITARY COMMANDS, THE ENEMY
PROSELYTING DEPARTMENT, THE DEPARTMENT OF MILITARY JUSTICE, OR
THE MILITARY FORENSIC INSTITUTE. HE SAID HE BELIEVED THE ONLY
EFFECIIVE WAY TO RECOVER REMAINS WAS FOR THE MILITARY TO
COOPERATE CLOSELY WITH LOCAL AUTHORITIES TO FIND WITNESSES WHO
MIGHT BE ABLE TO RECALL THE LOCATION OF THE GRAVES OF DECEASED
AMERICANS. HE SAID THE GENERAL STAFF DIRECTORATE OF THE MINISTRY
OF DEFENSE WAS THE ONLY ORGANIZATION WITH THE AUTHORITY TO
DIRECT LOCAL COMMANDS TO COOPERATE IN THE EFFORT TO LOCATE AND RECOVER
U.S. REMAINS.

9. STORAGE OF REMAINS: DET 2 RESEARCHER/HISTORIAN NOTED THE
MORTICIAN'S REPORT THAT PAVN STORED U.S. REMAINS IN A BUILDING IN
THE POW CAMP AT 17 LY NAM DE STREET IN HANOI. DET 2
RESEARCHER/HISTORIAN NOTED SOME CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE
SUPPORTING THE REPORT. COLONEL HANH AND LTC TEO STATED
UNEQUIVOCALLY THAT THE PAVN FILM INSTITUTE'S FILMS WERE THE ONLY
ITEMS STORED IN THE BUILDING IN QUESTION, AND THAT PAVN DID NOT
STORE REMAINS AT 17 LY NAM DE STREET. COLONEL HANH SAID THE DMJ
BRIEFLY KEPT SOME REMAINS AT NO. 3 DUONG THANH STREET WH[LE
AWAITING FINAL DISPOSITION; HOWEVER, HE BELIEVED THEY WERE
REPATRIATED. HE HAD ONLY GENERAL KNOWLEDGE ABOUT PAVN
INSTALLATIONS AT AND NEAR BAT BAT, WHICH OTHER SOURCES REPORTED
WAS A STORAGE SITE FOR REMAINS. COLONEL HANH DID NOT KNOW OF ANY
SITE AT WHICH PAVN MIGHT HAVE STORED REMAINS FOR LONG PERIODS.

10. VAN DIEN CEMETERY: COLONEL HANH DESCRIBED THE BURIAL PLOT AT
VAN DIEN CEMETERY FOR THE 23 AMERICANS WHO DIED IN CAPTIVITY. HE
SAID TWO OF THE 23 GRAVES WERE LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE DESIGNATED
PLOT. HE SAID A U.S. BOMB PARTIALLY DAMAGED THESE TWO GRAVES IN
DECEMBER 1972. BECAUSE OF THE BOMB DAMAGE, PAVN AUTHORITIES
DIRECTED OFFICE 22 TO EXHUME THE 23 REMAINS AND RELOCATE THEM TO
THE FRENCH MILITARY CEMETERY AT BA HUYEN, ABOUT 30 KM NORTHEAST

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OF HANOI. COLONEL HANH SAID THE REMAINS WERE MOVED TO ENSURE
THEY WOULD NOT BE FURTHER DAMAGED BY U.S. BOMBS. ((COMMENT: DIA
FILES CONTAIN PHOTOS AND REPORTS FILED BY U.S. DELEGATES TO THE
FOUR PARTY JOINT MILITARY TEAM WHO VISITED THE GRAVE SITES AT VAN
DIEN AND BA HUYEN CEMETERIES IN EARLY 1973. THE FACT THAT TWO OF
THE 23 GRAVES WERE OUTSIDE THE DESIGNATED PLOT COULD EXPLAIN THE
RUMOR THE MORTICIAN HEARD THAT GROUP 875 HAD BURIED 2-3
ADDITIONAL AMERICANS AT A SEPARATE LOCATION IN VAN DIEN
CEMETERY.))

11. OTHER CEMETERIES: COLONEL HANH SAID HE HAD NO SPECIFIC
KNOWLEDGE OF ANY OTHER CEMETERY IN VIETNAM THAT CONTAINED U.S.
REMAINS. HE SAID HE BELIEVED LOCAL MILITARY COMMANDS BURIED
AMERICANS NEAR THE SITE WHERE THEY DIED. HE SUGGESTED LOCAL
AUTHORITIES AND MILITARY COMMANDS COULD PROVIDE THE MOST
ACCURATE INFORMATION ABOUT GRAVE SITES.

12. REMAINS RECOVERED AT CHI HOA CEMETERY IN SAIGON IN 1976:
COLONEL HANH WAS ASKED TO DESCRIBE HIS EFFORTS TO IDENTIFY A BLACK
MAN DRESSED IN A U.S. MILITARY CAMOUFLAGE COMBAT UNIFORM WHOSE
REMAINS COLONEL HANH HELPED RECOVER FROM CHI HOA CEMETERY IN
JANUARY 1976. COLONEL HANH SAID HE WAS TASKED TO LEAD A TEAM OF
GRAVES RECOVERY SPECIALISTS, THAT INCLUDED THE NORTH VIETNAMESE
MORTICIAN WHO WENT TO THE U.S. IN 1979, TO SAIGON TO RECOVER THE
REMAINS OF TWO U.S. MARINES AND PREPARE THEM FOR RELEASE TO
MEMBERS OF U.S. SENATOR KENNEDY'S STAFF. THE TWO MARINES WERE
KILLED DURING THE EVACUATION OF SAIGON AND THEIR BODIES WERE LEFT
IN THE MORGUE AT THE 7TH DAY ADVENTIST HOSPITAL WHEN THE LAST U.S.
FORCES PULLED OUT. COLONEL HANH WAS SELECTED TO RECOVER THE
REMAINS BECAUSE OF HIS EXPERIENCE PREPARING THE REMAINS OF THE 23
MEN WHO DIED IN PRISON FOR REPATRIATION IN 1974.


A. WHEN HE ARRIVED IN SAIGON, LOCAL AUTHORITIES SAID THE
MORGUE ATTENDANT AT THE 7TH DAY ADVENTIST HOSPITAL HAD BURIED
THE REMAINS IN A SECTION OF CHI HOA CEMETERY RESERVED FOR
UNKNOWN PERSONS. LOCAL AUTHORITIES SAID THE MORGUE AND
CEMETERY EMPLOYEES RPFUSED TO COOPERATE TO RECOVER AND IDENTIFY
THE REMAINS BECAUSE THEY HOPED TO EXCHANGE THEM FOR A REWARD
FROM U.S. AUTHORITIES.

B. EVENTUALLY, COLONEL HANH WAS ABLE TO LOCATE FOUR GRAVES
CONTAINING BODIES BURIED IN ALUMINUM/STAINLESS STEEL CASKETS U.S.

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MILITARY MORTUARIES USE FOR SHIPPING BODIES. TWO CASKETS EACH
CONTAINED A COMPLETE BODY. ONE CONTAINED AN UPPER TORSO, AND
ANOTHER A LOWER TORSO AND LEGS. COLONEL HANH PRAISED THE
MORTICIAN'S SKILL IN CONFIRMING THAT THE TWO PARTIAL BODIES WERE IN
FACT TWO PARTS OF THE SAME BODY. HE ALSO DESCRIBED IN GRAPHIC
DETAIL THE PROCEDURES THE MORTICIAN USED TO REMOVE THE FLESH
FROM THE REMAINS. ((COMMENT: DET 2 RESEARCHER/HISTORIAN HAS
DISCUSSED THIS CASE WITH THE MORTICIAN SEVERAL TIMES, INCLUDING
DURING AN EXTENDED VISIT TO THE USACILHI TO EXAMINE THE SKELETAL
REMAINS OF THE BLACK MAN IN QUESTION. COLONEL HANH AND THE
MORTICIAN GAVE NEARLY IDENTICAL DESCRIPTIONS OF THE CONDITION OF
THE REMAINS.))

C. COLONEL HANH DESCRIBED ONE OF THE BODIES AS THAT OF A VERY
LARGE BLACK MALE DRESSED IN U.S. MILITARY CAMOUFLAGE MILITARY
UNIFORM. COLONEL HANH WAS NOT ABLE TO PERSUADE THE LOCAL
WITPIESSES TO HELP IDENTIFY ANY OF THE BODIES. IN AN EFFORT TO
IDENTIFY THE BODIES OF THE TWO MARINES SENATOR KENNEDY HAD ASKED
FOR, COLONEL HANH ASKED HANOI TO SEND A MEMO TO U.S. AUTHORITIES
INFORMING THEM ONE SET OF REMAINS WAS OF A BLACK MAN AND ASKING
FOR THE NAMES, RACE, HEIGHT, AND OTHER DATA FOR EACH OF THE THREE
PERSONS. THE ONLY REPLY HE RECEIVED WAS THAT
BOTH MEN SENATOR KENNEDY ASKED FOR WERE CAUCASIAN. ((COMMENT:
USAP LTC (REI.) PAUL MATHER, WHO PARTICIPATED IN THESE EVENTS, NOTED
THE TWO COMMUNIQUES HE RECEIVED FROM THE VIETNAMESE
GOVERNMENT REGARDING THIS MATTER IN JANUARY-FEBRUARY 1976 WERE
CONVEYED VERBALLY THROUGH A MR. DARRYL HAN, A NATIVE OF BURMA,
WHO WAS THE UNHCR REPRESENTATIVE IN HANOI. MR. HAN IS NOW
DECEASED.))

D. COLONEL HANH INSISTED THE MORTICIAN WAS MISTAKEN WHEN HE
SAID COLONEL HANH HAD FOUND A JOURNAL FOR THE 7TH DAY ADVENTIST
MORGUE THAT IDENTIFIED EACH OF THE THREE PERSONS. COLONEL HANH
INSISTED HE NEVER LEARNED THE IDENTITY OF THE BLACK MAN.

13. [XXXX][XXXX][XXXX]: MR. [XXXX] WAS A U.S. MARINE WHO
DISAPPEARED FROM HIS UNIT IN SOUTH VIETNAM IN SEPTEMBER 1965. HE
WENT TO NORTH VIETNAM IN ABOUT 1969-70. IN MARCH 1979 HE RETURNED
TO THE U.S. AND WAS TRIED AND CONVICTED OF COLLABORATING WITH THE
ENEMY BY A COURT MARTIAL.

A. COLONEL HANH SAID HE WAS A FRIEND OF [XXXX][XXXX]

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COLONEL HANH SPOKE OF MR. [XXXX] WITH APPARENTLY GENUINE
PEELINGS OF FRIENDSHIP. HE REFERRED TO MR. [XXXX] AS "[XXXX]". HE
SAID HE HAD SEEN [XXXX]  IN THE HANOI AREA DURING THE EARLY AND
MID-1970S; BUT DID NOT KNOW HIM WELL BEFORE THEY WERE BOTH
ASSIGNED TO GROUP 776 IN MID-1976. COLONEL HANH BECAME THE DEPUTY
COMMANDER OF THE NEWLY FORMED GROUP 776 AND MR. [XXXX] WAS
ASSIGNED TO OPERATE AND MAINTAIN THE POWER GENERATOR THAT
SUPPLIED ELECTRICITY TO THE HEADQUARTERS FOR CAMP GROUP 1, ONE OF
THE SIX GROUPS OF REEDUCATION CAMPS ADMINISTERED BY GROUP 776.
COLONEL HANH QUICKLY AND EASILY POINTED OUT THE LOCATION OF EACH
OF THE CAMP GROUPS ON A U.S. 1: 1,000,000 SCALE JOINT OPERATIONAL
NAVIGATION CHART, SHEET ONC J-l l, EDITION 13. ((COMMENT: DET 2
RESEARCHER/HISTORIAN HAS INTERVIEWED SEVERAL FORMER INMATES OF
THESE CAMPS AND REVIEWED IMAGERY OF ALL OF THE CAMPS AND CAN
CONFIRM THAT COLONEL HANH ACCURATELY IDENIFIED AND LOCATED
EACH OF THE CAMP GROUPS.))

B. PRIOR TO JOINING GROUP 776, THE ENEMY PROSELYTING
DEPARTMENT WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR MR. [XXXX] COLONEL HANH
SUGGESTED MR. NGUYEN VAN THUONG, FORMER DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE
ENEMY PROSELYTING DEPARTMENT, COULD PROVIDE INFORMATION ABOUT
MR. [XXXX] ACTIVTIES PRIOR TO JULY 1976.

C. COLONEL HANH SAID THAT BEFORE MR. [XXXX] JOINED GROUP
776, MR.[XXXX] LED A VERY RELAXED LIFE STYLE-READING AND
STUDYING VIETNAMESE. HE HELD THE RANK OF SENIOR CAPTAIN IN PAVN;
HOWEVER, HIS SALARY WAS DOUBLE THE NORMAL SALARY FOR HIS RANK.
ALSO, HE RECEIVED SUBSISTENCE ALLOWANCE THAT WAS MORE THAN
DOUBLE THE CUSTOMARY ALLOWANCE. MR. [XXXX] ALSO HAD
PERMISSION TO SHOP AT HOTELS AND OTHER OUTLETS THAT WERE OFF-
LIMITS TO MOST VIETNAMESE. COLONEL HANH NOTED WITH AMUSEMENT
THAT MR. [XXXX] FREQUENTLY USED HIS SPECIAL RATION ALLOWANCES
TO PURCHASE ITEMS SUCH AS CIGARETTES AND RESELL THEM FOR A PROFIT.
COLONEL HANH ALSO NOTED WITH OBVIOUS AMUSEMENT THAT MR. [XXXX]
WAS VERY CLEVER AND QUICK-WITTED AND A NOTORIOUS AND
VERY SUCCESSFUL WOMANIZER.

D. ONE REASON THE GENERAL POLITICAL DIRECTORATE REASSIGNED
MR. [XXXX] FROM THE ENEMY PROSELY.IING DEPARTMENT TO GROUP 776
WAS TO GIVE HIM PRODUCTIVE WORK --ACCORDING TO COLONEL HANH, TO
WEAN HIM FROM HIS PLAYBOY LIFE-STYLE. IN ADDITION TO OPERATING AND
MAINTAINING THE POWER GENERATOR FOR CAMP GROUP 1, MR. [XXXX]

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HELPED SUPERVISE AND PERFORM REPAIRS ON VEHICLES AND RADIOS.

E. WHILE ASSIGNED TO GROUP 776, MR. [XXXX] LIVED AND WORKED
WITH A FORMER THAI SOLDIER WHO HAD CROSSED OVER TO PAVN.
COLONEL HANH PRONOUNCED THE MAN'S THAI NAME AS "SOT-SAY-BURI". COLONEL
HANH SAID THE MAN ADOPTED THE VIETNAMESE NAME CHU VAN SON ((CHU
VAWN SOWN)) AND WAS CUSTOMARILY ADDRESSED AS "SON". COLONEL
HANH SAID SON DIED OF CANCER IN 1987 AND IS BURIED AT VAN DIEN
CEMETERY.

F. AFTER GROUP 776 WAS DISBANDED IN ABOUT OCTOBER 1978, MR
[XXXX] RETURNED TO HANOI. IN HANOI, MR. [XXXX] LIVED
[XXXX] STREET. COLONEL HANH NOTED THAT THREE PERSONS WERE
ASSIGNED TO HELP MR. [XXXX]. ONE MAN WHO COOKED AND KEPT
HOUSE FOR HIM, ONE MAN WHOSE SOLE FUNCTION WAS TO KEEP
INFORMED ABOUT CURRENT EVENTS, AND AN INTERPRETER ((A FIRST
LIEUTENANT NAMED PHONG (PHONGF))) WHOSE PRIMARY MISSION WAS HELP
MR. [XXXX] RESOLVE ANY DIFFICULTIES HE MIGHT ENCOUNTER IN HIS
DAY-TO-DAY ACTIVITIES.

G. AFTER THEY RETURNED TO HANOI, COLONEL HANH SAID MR. [XXXX]
 FREQUENTLY VISITED HIS HOME AND EVEN ATTENDED HIS SON'S WEDDING.
COLONEL HANH SAID HE ALSO SAW MR. [XXXX] AT LEAST
ONCE EACH WEEK WHEN MR.[XXXX] VISITED COLONEL HANH AT NO. 3
DUONG THANH STREET TO RECEIVE PAY AND RATION AUTHORIZATIONS.
CUSTOMARILY MR. [XXXX] COOK AND INTERPRETER WOULD
ACCOMPANY HIM WHENEVER HE VISITED NO. 3 DUONG THANH STREET
((COMMENT: THE MORTICIAN REPORTED HE SAW MR [XXXX] VISIT NO. 3
DUONG THANH STREET SEVERAL TIMES AND THAT HE WAS NORMALLY
ACCOMPANIED BY A MEMBER OF PAVN.))

14. WAS CAPTURED OR DID HE DEFECT? COLONEL HANH
SAID MR.[XXXX] ,WAS DRIVING A JEEP IN THE VICINITY OF DANANG CITY
WHEN HE ENCOUNTERED ARMED COMMUNIST GUERRILLAS. WHEN THE
GUERRILLAS RAISED THEIR WEAPONS, MR. [XXXX] ANNOUNCED HIS
INTENTION TO DEFECT TO COMMUNIST FORCES. COLONEL HANH OPINED
THAT UNDER  THE CIRCUMSTANCES IT IS DIFFICULT TO JUDGE WHAT MR.
[XXXX] INTENTIONS WERE AT THE TIME.

15. [XXXX][XXXX] ACTIVITIES BETWEEN THE TIME HE ARRIVED IN
NORTH VIETNAM CIRCA 1969 70 AND MID-1976. COLONEL HANH SAID THAT
PRIOR TO MID-1976 [XXXX] LIVED AT A CAMP NAMED TRAI TRE

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((TRAIJ TRE)), IN SON DA VILLAGE ((XAX SOWN DDAF)), ABOUT TWO KM FROM
BAT BAT ((BAATS BAT)) ((210908N/1052031E)). COLONEL HANH SAID THIS
FACILITY HAS SINCE BEEN DISMANTLED AND THE AREA IS NOW MANIOC
FIELDS. AS NOTED ABOVE, COLONEL HANH SAID THAT BEFORE MR.
[XXXX] JOINED GROUP 776, THE ENEMY PROSELYTING DEPARTMENT WAS
RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS ACTIVITIES. COLONEL HANH SUGGESTED MR. NGUYEN
VAN THUONG, FORMER DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE ENEMY PROSELYTING
DEPARTMENT, COULD PROVIDE INFORMATION ABOUT MR. [XXXX]
ACTIVITIES PRIOR TO JULY 1976. ((COMMENT: U.S. POWS REFERRED TO THE
CAMP AT BAT BAT AS THE BRIARPATCH. RETURNED U.S. POWS REPORT ALL
AMERICANS HELD HERE WERE RELEASED.))

16. [XXXX] CLAIMS TO HAVE SEEN U.S. POWS IN VIETNAM AFTER 1975: DET 2
RESEARCHER/HISTORIAN NOTED THAT AS MR. [XXXX]
COURT MARTIAL PROCEEDINGS AND APPEAL PROCESS WERE DRAWING TO A
CLOSE, MR. [XXXX],BEGAN CLAIMING HE SAW U.S. POWS AT VARIOUS
LOCATIONS, INCLUDING THACH BA LAKE IN GROUP 776'S AREA, AFTER 1975.

A. COLONEL HANH SAID HE AND HIS COUNTRYMEN RESPECT MR. [XXXX]
FOR HIS ASSISTANCE DURING THE WAR; HOWEVER, COLONEL
HANH EXPLAINED MR. [XXXX] WAS NOTED FOR MAKING UP STORIES TO
MAKE HIMSELF APPEAR IMPORTANT. FOR EXAMPLE, HE USED TO FABRICATE
STORIES ABOUT COMBAT EXPLOITS WITH PAVN TROOPS IN SOUTH VIETNAM.
COLONEL HANH UNEQUIVOCALLY INSISTED THAT MR. [XXXX]
FABRICATED THE STORIES ABOUT SEEING U.S. POWS IN VIETNAM AFTER 1973.

B. COLONEL HANH OFFERED THE FOLLOWING PERSONAL OPINION OF
MR. [XXXX] MOTIVES FOR MAKING UP STORIES ABOUT SEEING U.S. POWS.
HE SUGGESTED THAT MR. [XXXX] COULD NOT SIMPLY ADMIT HE
COLLABORATED WITH PAVN AGAINST HIS OWN FORCES. TO DO SO WOULD
RISK PUBLIC CONDEMNATION OF BOTH HIM AND HIS FAMILY. COLONEL
HANH SUGGESTED PASSIVE ACCEPTANCE OF THE OUTCOME OF THE COURT
MARTIAL COULD CARRY THE SAME RISKS. THEREFORE, COLONEL HANH
SUGGESTED, MR. [XXXX] COULD BE MAKING UP THE STORIES SIMPLY TO
TRY TO PORTRAY HIMSELF AS A PATRIOT IN HOPE THAT HE MIGHT SALVAGE
SOME PART OF HIS REPUTATION.

17. [XXXX] CLAIM TO HAVE SEEN U.S. POWS IN A PRISON ON AN ISLAND
IN ACH BA LAKE IN 1978: COLONEL HANH SAID HE WAS DEPUTY
COMMANDER OF GROUP 776 AT THE TIME OF THIS ALLEGED EVENT, AND
THAT [XXXX]  WAS ASSIGNED TO CAMP GROUP 1, ONE OF THE CAMP
GROUPS SUBORDINATE TO GROUP 776. HE SAID GROUP 776 HEADQUARTERS

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WAS LOCATED IN YEN BAI TOWN, WHICH IS LOCATED SOUTH OF THACH BA
LAKE AND ON THE NORTH BANK OF THE RED RIVER. HE SAID CAMP GROUP
WAS LOCATED SOUTH OF THE RED RIVER. HE SAID MR. [XXXX]
OCCASIONALLY VISITED OTHER CAMP GROUPS SUBORDINATE TO GROUP 776,
INCLUDING CAMP GROUP FOUR LOCATED NORTH OF THACH BA LAKE.
HOWEVER, COLONEL HANH UNEQUIVOCALLY AFFIRMED THERE WERE NO
PRISONS ON ANY ISLAND IN THACH BA LAKE AND THAT NO AMERICANS WERE
HELD IN ANY OF THE CAMPS ADMINISTERED BY GROUP 776. COLONEL HANH
ALSO UNEQUIVOCALLY AFFIRMED THAT MR. [XXXX] CLAIMS TO HAVE
SEEN U.S. POWS IN VIETNAM AFTER 1973 WERE FABRICATIONS. ((COMMENT:
AS NOTED ABOVE, COLONEL HANH QUICKLY AND EASILY POINTED OUT THE
LOCATION OF EACH OF THE CAMP GROUPS ADMINISTERED BY GROUP 776 ON
A
U.S. 1:1,000,000 SCALE JOINT OPERATIONAL NAVIGATION CHART, SHEET ONC J-
11, EDITION 13. DET 2 RESEARCHER/HISTORIAN HAS INTERVIEWED SEVERAL
FORMER INMATES OF THESE CAMPS AND REVIEWED IMAGERY OF ALL OF THE
CAMPS AND CAN CONFIRM THAT COLONEL HANH ACCURATELY IDENTIFIED
AND LOCATED EACH OF THE CAMP GROUPS.))

18. OTHER AMERICANS WHO MIGHT HAVE STAYED AFTER THE WAR:
COLONEL HANH INSISTED UNEQUIVOCALLY THAT MR. [XXXX] WAS THE
ONLY AMERICAN WHO STAYED IN NORTH VIETNAM AFTER THE WAR. HE SAID
VIETNAMESE OFFICIALS ENCOURAGED HIM TO RETURN HOME IN 1973, BUT
MR [XXXX] REFUSED.

A. DET 2 RESEARCHER/HISTORIAN NOTED THE MORTICIAN SAID HE SAW
TWO OTHER CAUCASIANS IN ADDITION TO MR. [XXXX] VISIT THE GROUP
875 AND DEPARTMENT OF MILITARY JUSTICE OFFICE. 3 DUONG THANH.
THE MORTICIAN ALSO SAID THAT ENLISTED MEMBERS OF COLONEL HANH'S
STAFF AND COLONEL HANH'S DEPUTY, MAJOR HUAN, TOLD THE MORTICIAN
THE TWO CAUCASIANS WERE AMERICANS WHO CROSSED OVER TO PAVN AND
ASKED TO STAY AFTER THE WAR. ((COMMENT: WHEN DET 2
RESEARCHER/HISTORIAN INTERVIEWED HIM IN JUNE 1992, MAJOR HUAN SAID
HE HAD NO KNOWLEDGE THAT ANY AMERICANS OTHER THAN  [XXXX]
STAYED APTER THE WAR.))

B. COLONEL HANH SAID HE DID NOT KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHO THE
CAUCASIANS WERE THAT THE MORTICIAN SAW; HOWEVER, HE OFFERED THE
FOLLOWING POSSIBLE EXPLANATION. GROUP 875 AND LATER GROUP 776
WAS COMPRISED OF MEMBERS OF THE ENEMY PROSELYTING DEPARTMENT
AND THE DEPARTMENT OF MILITARY SECURITY. THE HEADQUARTERS OF
BOTH OF THESE DEPARTMENTS WERE LOCATED INSIDE THE MINISTRY OF
DEFENSE (MND) HEADQUARTERS COMPOUND. THE EAST GATE ENTRANCE TO

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THESE HEADQUARTERS WAS ABOUT TWO BLOCKS FROM NO. 3 DUONG THANH
STREET. VISITORS WHO DID NOT HAVE ACCESS PASSES TO THE MND
COMPOUND WERE REQUIRED TO CALL THE OFFICE lilEY WISHED TO VISIT
AND ASK FOR AN ESCORT. TO ACCOMMODATE VISITORS, THE ENEMY
PROSELYTING AND MILITARY SECURITY DEPARTMENTS MAINTAINED A DUTY
OFFICE WITH A DIRECT PHONE LINE AT NO. 3 DUONG THANH STREET. THE
DEPARTMENTS ALSO MAINTAINED A SMALL MEETING ROOM AT NO. 3 DUONG
THANH WHERE THEY COULD MEET WITH VISITORS THEY DID NOT WISH TO
INVITE INTO THE MMD COMPOUND. COLONEL HANH SUGGESTED THE
MORTICIAN COULD HAVE SEEN EAST EUROPEANS OR OTHER WESTERNERS
WHO VISITED THE DUTY OFFICE AND MEETING ROOM AT
NO. 3 DUONG THANH STREET, BUT WAS SIMPLY CONFUSED ABOUT THEIR
IDENTITY.

                                        JOHN V. DONOVAN
                                        LTC, USA
                                        COMMANDER

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