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SUBJ/INTERVIEW OF REQUESTED SOURCE, DO VAN NGUYEN//

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AMPN/SUBJ: LIST OF PERSONS FOR INTERVIEW-SENATOR KERRY,
ENTRY
NUMBER 42 OF 83//

RMKS/1. BACKGROUND. ON 21 JUNE 1993, A JOINT U.S./VIETNAM
PRIORITY CASE INTERVIEW TEAM (PCIT) INTERVIEWED DO VAN NGUYEN
(AKA TU NGUYEN). A 65 YEAR OLD THU DAU MOT TOWN, OLD SONG BE
PROVINCE. RESIDENT. MR. NGUYEN IS CURRENTLY RETIRED, FORMERLY
PHUOC LONG (CURRENTLY SONG BE) PROVINCE PARTY SECRETARY. THE
TEAM MET AT THE SONG BE PROVINCE PEOPLE'S COMMITTEE
HEADQUARTERS. TO INTERVIEW MR. NGUYEN. LISTED IN REFERENCE AS A
POTENTIAL SOURCE OF INFORMATION CONCERNING U.S. PERSONNEL
MISSING IN ACTION (MIA) IN VIETNAM. THE U.S. CONTINGENT
CONSISTED OF MSGT [XXXX][XXXX][XXXX], PCIT LEADER, AND MSGT
[XXXX][XXXX][XXXX], JTF-FA ANALYST/LINGUIST. THE VIETNAMESE
CENTRAL GOVERNMENT CONTINGENT CONSISTED OF LTC PHAM TEO.
MINISTRY OF DEFENSE; AND MR. NGUYEN DUY THANH. MINISTRY OF
INTERIOR. MR. NGUYEN HAD NOT BEEN INTERVIEWED BY A JOINT TEAM
BEFORE.


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2. SUMMARY THE SOURCE. DO VAN NGUYEN, PROVIDED INFORMATION
CONCERNING AN AMERICAN MEDIC PRISONER OF WAR (PW) CAPTURED IN
THE BATTLE OF BU DANG (AKA DUC PHONG. YU459064), THEN KILLED AT A
DETENTION CAMP DURING A U.S. ATTACK ON THE BU GIA MAP (YU3437)
AREA IN FORMER PHUOC LONG PROVINCE. THIS INFORMATION CORRELATES
TO CASE 0054-1-01. AN UNRESOLVED CASE. HE ALSO RELATED
INFORMATION CONCERNING A U.S. AIRBORNE SPECIAL FORCES OFFICER
WHO SURRENDERED NEAR BU DANG VILLAGE, FORMER PHUOC LONG
PROVINCE, AND LATER DIED OF MALARIA AT A DISPENSARY NEAR BU
DANG. THIS INFORMATION POTENTIALLY CORRELATES TO CASE 1244, AN
UNRESOLVED CASE. THE SOURCE CLAIMED NO KNOWLEDGE OF AMERICANS,
LIVING FREELY OR AGAINST THEIR WILL, IN VIETNAM SINCE 1973

3. DETAILS.

A. AFTER FORMAL INTRODUCTIONS, LTC PHAM TEO EXPLAINED
THE JOINT TEAM'S MISSION AND MSGT [XXXX]. INVITED MR DO
VAN NGUYEN (DOOX VAWN NGUYEENJ) TO SHARE ANY INFORMATION
HE KNEW CONCERNING U.S. PERSONNEL MISSING IN SOUTHEAST
ASIA.

B. THE INTERVIEW SUBJECT EXPLAINED HE BECAME PHUOC LONG
PROVINCE PEOPLE'S PARTY SECRETARY IN 1563 AND RETIRED FOUR
YEARS AGO IN 1985. HE POINTED OUT THAT THE EVENTS HE WAS ABOUT
TO RECOUNT OCCURRED MORE THAN 20 YEARS AGO AND, DUE TO TIME
LAPSE AND HIS ADVANCED AGE, HIS RECOLLECTIONS WEREN'T CLEAR.

C. MR. NGUYEN STATED THAT IN 1965 OR 1966, DURING THE
BATTLE OF BU DANG (AKA BATTLE OF DOC PHONG) (SEE PARA. 7 B ,
BELOW), VIETNAMESE COMMUNIST (VC) FORCES CAPTURED AN AMERICAN
MEDIC. ANOTHER AMERICAN DIED DURING THIS BATTLE. BUT NGUYEN
KNEW NO DETAILS CONCERNING THIS INDIVIDUAL. HE SAID THE MEDIC
WAS TALL, YOUNG, AND CAUCASIAN. AFTER THE BATTLE, COMMUNIST
FORCES TOOK THE MEDIC TO A DETENTION CAMP IN THE BU GIA MAP
AREA (SEE PARA. 7 C., BELOW), DAC O VILLAGE. AROUND THE
BATTLE OF DONG XOAI TIME FRAME (SEE PARA. 7.D., BELOW),
U.S./REPUBLIC OF VIETNAM FORCES ATTACKED THE BU GIA MAP AREA,
INCLUDING THE DETENTION CAMP SITE, PRECEDING THE GROUND
ATTACK WITH A BOMBING RAID. MR. NGUYEN CLAIMED THE BOMBING
KILLED THE U.S. MEDIC AS WELL AS A NUMBER OF COMMUNIST
TROOPS.

D. THE MEDIC ALLEGEDLY DIED AT DINH KRA BANG HAMLET
(EXACT LOCATION UNKNOWN) WHERE, FOUR DAYS AFTER THE ATTACK ON
BU GIA MAP, COMMUNIST FORCES RETURNED AND DISCOVERED HIS
BODY. ACCORDING TO MR. NGUYEN, DINH KRA BANG WAS LOCATED
NORTHWEST OF BU DANG, NEAR THE CURRENT BOUNDARY BETWEEN BU
DANG AND PHUOC LONG DISTRICTS, POSSIBLY FIVE KILOMETERS SOUTH
OF BU GIA MAP (SEE PARA. 7.E., BELOW). THE BODY HAD LOST BOTH
LEGS AND SUFFERED A HEAD WOUND. MEMBERS OF THE VC ELEMENT
(NFI) PLACED THE BODY IN A NYLON BAG AND BURIED IT ON THE
SPOT.

E. MR. NGUYEN LEARNED OF THE AMERICAN MEDIC'S DEATH AND
BURIAL THROUGH A REPORT FROM THE INVOLVED VC ELEMENT AND DID
NOT HIMSELF VIEW THE BODY. HE DID NOT KNOW IF THE GRAVE WAS
MARKED

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OR NOT. HE HEARD THAT THE MEDIC'S BODY HAD DOG TAGS, BUT
PUBLIC SECURITY FORCES CONFISCATED THESE. AS FAR AS HE KNEW,
NO ONE HAD EVER RETURNED TO LOCATE THE GRAVE SITE BECAUSE, IN
HIS OPINION, IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND.

F. THE INTERVIEWER RELATED THAT A PREVIOUS INTERVIEW SUBJECT,
MR. PHO BIEN CUONG (PHOS BIEENF CWONG), AKA TU CUONG (TW CWONG),
CLAIMED THAT, DURING THE BOMBING RAID ON THE DETENTION CAMP, HE
(CUONG) HAD TAKEN THE AMERICAN MEDIC AND SEVERAL RVN PRISONERS
INTO THE JUNGLE TO ESCAPE THE ATTACK. CUONG SAID ON THE THIRD
NIGHT IN THE JUNGLE, A TIGER KILLED THE MEDIC AND CARRIED AWAY
HIS BODY. MR. NGUYEN LAUGHED ABOUT THIS, REPLYING IT WAS ODD
CUONG SHOULD RELATE SUCH A STORY SINCE CUONG HAD FLED INTO THE
JUNGLE DURING THE ATTACK AND COULD NOT POSSIBLY KNOW THE FATE OF
THE U.S. MEDIC.

G. IN ADDITION TO THE INCIDENT INVOLVING THE AMERICAN
MEDIC, MR. NGUYEN REMEMBERED THAT AN AMERICAN AIRBORNE
SPECIAL FORCES CAPTAIN DIED IN A DISPENSARY AFTER
SURRENDERING NEAR BU DANG, POSSIBLY IN 1967. NGUYEN STATED
THIS AMERICAN HAD "COME FROM A HELICOPTER" (SEE PARA. 7.F.,
BELOW) AND THAT HE DIED OF MALARIA AND WAS BURIED NEAR THE
DISPENSARY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF YT260950, NEAR NGHIA
TRUNG VILLAGE (VICINITY YT 290902 - DOES NOT EXIST ON U.S.
MAPS).

H. IN RESPONSE TO THE INTERVIEWER'S QUERIES, MR. NGUYEN
STATED THAT THE T52 DETENTION CAMP, UNDER MINISTRY OF
INTERIOR ADMINISTRATION, WAS LOCATED IN WHAT IS NOW BINH LONG
DISTRICT, SONG BE PROVINCE. THE CAMP WAS NEAR THE CURRENT TAY
NINH-SONG BE PROVINCE BORDER, NEAR SONG BE'S LOC NINH
DISTRICT. THE CAMP BECAME AN ECONOMIC ZONE ASSET AFTER THE
WAR. NGUYEN STATED THE AREA WAS UNINHABITED BY CIVILIANS BOTH
DURING AND AFTER THE WAR AND IS STILL UNINHABITED.

I. ACCORDING TO MR. NGUYEN, TWO AGENCIES, PUBLIC
SECURITY (COONG AN) AND THE ARMY (QUAAN DOOIJ) KEPT PW
RECORDS AND PERSONAL EFFECTS AFTER THE WAR. NGUYEN CLAIMED
THAT DETENTION CAMPS WERE TRANSIENT DURING THE WAR, MOVING
FREQUENTLY TO ESCAPE DISCOVERY/ATTACK. THERE WERE, HE SAID,
PERSONNEL IN CAMPS WHO CARED FOR THE PRISONERS, BUT THESE
WERE LOWER RANKING SOLDIERS


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THAT HE DID NOT KNOW PERSONALLY. NGUYEN VAN THOA (NGUYEENX
VAWN THOAR), HE ADVISED, A THU DUA MOT RESIDENT, WOULD BE LIKELY
TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS MATTER.

J. MR. NGUYEN CLAIMED NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE (1) TO HAP
SECRET

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ZONE.

(2) THE BI DOUP PW CAMP IN LAM DONG PROVINCE, OR THE  (3)
HUY KHIEM AND DA TRANG REEDUCATION CAMPS. OTHER THAN THE
TWO INSTANCES HE RELATED DURING THE INTERVIEW, HE SAID
HE  KNEW OF NO OTHER INCIDENTS RELATING TO U.S. PW/MIAS.

K. IN RESPONSE TO THE INTERVIEWER'S QUERY. MR. NGUYEN
CLAIMED THAT, SINCE 1973, HE HAD NEVER SEEN OR KNOWN OF
AMERICANS LIVING. FREELY OR AGAINST THEIR WILL, IN
VIETNAM.

L. WITH NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. NGUYEN, THE JOINT
TEAM AGREED TO CONCLUDE THE INTERVIEW.

4. CORRELATIONS TO EXISTING POW/MIA CASES.
 
A. SOURCE'S STATEMENTS CONCERNING THE AMERICAN MEDIC
CORRELATE TO CASE 0054-1-01, AN UNRESOLVED CASE. BASED ON
GENERAL TIME FRAME; GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION OF LOSS; LOSS
CIRCUMSTANCES; RACE; GENERAL AGE; DUTY POSITION; AND THE
FACT  THAT EYEWITNESS REPORTS INDICATE THE MISSING
INDIVIDUAL IN  CASE 0054 WAS HELD IN SEVERAL CAMPS IN THE
SAME REGION THE  SOURCE INDICATED.

B. SOURCE'S STATEMENTS CONCERNING THE AMERICAN CAPTAIN
PROBABLY CORRELATE TO CASE 1244 (POSSIBLY 1244-0-03) BASED
ON GENERAL TIME FRAME; REGIONAL LOCATION (DISTRICT.
PROVINCE); PROBABLE DUTY POSITION; AND POSSIBLY THE FACT
THAT THE MISSING INDIVIDUAL WAS AN OFFICER.

5. POTENTIAL LEADS. DO VAN NGUYEN NAMED THE FOLLOWING
INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY HAVE (OR MAY HAVE HAD) KNOWLEDGE
OF  U.S. PERSONNEL MISSING IN SOUTHEAST ASIA;

A. SENIOR CAPTAIN DIEU BAT (DIEEUF BAATS), POLITICAL
OFFICER AT THE CAMP IN WHICH THE U.S. MEDIC WAS HELD. IF
STILL LIVING, THIS INDIVIDUAL MAY RESIDE IN THE BU GIA
MAP  AREA.

B. TU BINH (TW BINH), DECEASED ACCORDING TO SOURCE.
(THIS INDIVIDUAL MAY BE THE SAME TU BINH LISTED IN LINE
61  OF REFERENCE.)

C. LUU QUY KHOAT (LWU QUYS KHOATS), DIED IN 1990 OF
LIVER FAILURE ACCORDING TO SOURCE. (THIS INDIVIDUAL IS
PROBABLY THE SAME KHOAT LISTED IN LINE 61 OF REFERENCE.)

D. NGUYEN VAN THOA, REPORTEDLY RESIDES IN THU DAU MOT
TOWN. MAY HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF U.S. PRISONER TREATMENT IN
PHUOC  LONG WARTIME DETENTION CAMPS. (SEE PARA 3.1., ABOVE)

E. LIEU MAC (LIEEUJ MAWCJ). FORMER BU GIA MAP (K28) DISTRICT
FORCES COMMANDER. ALLEGEDLY STILL RESIDES IN BU GIA  MAP.

F. DIEU BEO (DIEEUF BEO). K28 DISTRICT PARTY
SECRETARY, KILLED IN 1966 ACCORDING TO THE SOURCE.

6. MATERIAL EVIDENCE: NONE. THIS SOURCE BROUGHT NO
RECORDS, NOTEBOOKS, DIARIES, OR ANY MATERIAL EVIDENCE
ASSOCIATED WITH UNACCOUNTED FOR U.S. PERSONNEL.

7. COMMENTS.

A. THE PCIT INTERVIEWED DO VAN NGUYEN PURSUANT TO PCIT


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TASKING DURING THEIR INVESTIGATION INTO CASE 0054 SINCE MR.
KHANH IS LISTED IN REFERENCE AS A DESIRED ORAL HISTORY INTERVIEW
SUBJECT, THE PCIT AND ORAL HISTORY TEAMS COORDINATED LINES
OF QUESTIONING PRIOR TO THIS INTERVIEW TO MORE EFFECTIVELY
FULFILL BOTH PCIT AND ORAL HISTORY PROGRAM REQUIREMENTS.

B. ACCORDING TO U.S. RECORDS, THE BATTLE OF DUC
PHONG OCCURRED IN FEBRUARY 1965

C. BASED ON THE SOURCE'S STATEMENTS. BU GIA MAP APPEARS
TO HAVE BEEN A DISTRICT OR SUB-DISTRICT TYPE OPERATING
AREA WHICH, ACCORDING TO MR. NGUYEN, WAS ALSO DESIGNATED K28.

D. ACCORDING TO U.S. RECORDS, THE BATTLE OF DONG
XOAI OCCURRED IN JUNE 1965.

E. THE INTERVIEWER WAS UNABLE TO ASCERTAIN WHETHER DINH KRA
BANG WAS IN THE BU GIA MAP OPERATING AREA, OR WHETHER BU GIA
MAP AND DINH KRA BANG WERE TWO DIFFERENT SITES. HOWEVER, BASED
ON SUBJECT'S STATEMENTS SUGGESTING BU GIA MAP WAS A TYPE OF
ADMINISTRATIVE OPERATING AREA (K28) AND HIS DESCRIPTION OF
THE BOMBING, SUSPECT THE DINH KRA BANG CAMP WAS LOCATED IN
THE BU GIA MAP AREA.

F. SINCE HE HEARD NOTHING OF A HELICOPTER OR WRECKAGE AT
THE LOCATION WHERE THE AMERICAN CAPTAIN SURRENDERED.
ASSUME THE SOURCE BELIEVED THE AMERICAN TO BE A
HELICOPTER CREW  MEMBER.

G. THE INTERVIEW SUBJECT, DO VAN NGUYEN. APPEARED VERY
FRAIL AND HAD SOME TROUBLE ANSWERING THE INTERVIEWER'S
QUESTIONS. HE CLAIMED HE'D UNDERGONE BRAIN SURGERY TWO
YEARS  EARLIER AND THE VNOSMP COUNTERPARTS BELIEVED HIS
POOR MEMORY  WAS DUE IN PART TO THIS FACT.

H. THIS SUBJECT. DO VAN NGUYEN, AKA TU NGUYEN, POSSIBLY
REPRESENTS TWO LINE ITEMS FROM REFERENCE (LIST OF 83): LINE
42 AND LINE 59. ORAL HISTORY PROGRAM COORDINATOR WILL
DETERMINE IF THIS IS TRUE AND INFORM INVOLVED AGENCIES VIA
SEPARATE REPORTING VEHICLE.//

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