MILLINER, WILLIAM PATRICK

MILLINER, WILLIAM PATRICK

Name: William Patrick Milliner
Rank/Branch: W1/US Army
Unit: Troop B, 7th Squadron, 1st Cavalry, 164th Aviation Group
Date of Birth: 12 June 1950
Home City of Record: Louisville KY
Date of Loss: 06 March 1971
Country of Loss: Laos
Loss Coordinates: 164204N 1063359E (XD670470)
Status (in 1973): Missing In Action
Category: 1
Aircraft/Vehicle/Ground: AH1G
Refno: 1718

Source: Compiled from one or more of the following: raw data from U.S.
Government agency sources, correspondence with POW/MIA families,
published sources, interviews. Updated by the P.O.W. NETWORK in 2008.

Other Personnel in Incident: John F. Hummel (missing)

REMARKS:

SYNOPSIS: On March 6, 1971, WO John F. Hummel, pilot, and WO William P.
Milliner, co-pilot, were flying an AH1G Cobra helicopter gunship (serial
#67-15464) as the wingman in a flight of two helicopters returning from a
combat support mission over Laos. While in route, the weather turned hazy.
At about 2000 hours, the wingman notified his troop's forward operation at
Khe Sanh, South Vietnam, that both gunships were planning to use a ground
control approach (GCA). That was the last radio contact with WO Hummel's
aircraft.

The lead gunship contacted the Khe Sanh GCA and was told to climb to 5000
feet and make a left 360 degree turn to a heading of 020 degrees. The
wingman was still with the lead aircraft at this time, but no radio contact
could be established with him.

Shortly after, the GCA control informed the lead aircraft to turn to a
heading of 070 degrees at 4000 feet. After a descending turn was initiated,
WO Hummel's aircraft passed over the top of the lead aircraft. This
separation occurred in the clear, and then the flight leader entered the
cloud layer so no further visual sighting of WO Hummel's aircraft occurred.
The lead aircraft landed safely.

Search and rescue efforts were begun for Hummel and Milliner, but had
negative results. Hummel and Milliner were listed Missing in Action. Some
years later, the Defense Intelligence Agency "rated" missing persons in
Southeast Asia according to the degree of suspected enemy knowledge, using a
scale of 1 to 5. Hummel and Milliner were classified "Category 1", meaning
the U.S. had reliable information that the enemy knew the fate of Hummel and
Milliner. Category 1 does not suggest whether an individual was alive or
dead at the time this knowledge was obtained.

Another confusing aspect of the records of Hummel and Milliner is that the
Defense Department classifies their loss as "non-hostile". This information
does not seem to correlate with known enemy knowledge of their fates, unless
reports were received that the two survived the crash of their aircraft only
to stumble into enemy hands at a later time. Clarifying information is not
available in public records.

Nearly 600 Americans were lost in Laos during the war in Vietnam. Although
the Pathet Lao stated on several occasions that they held "tens of tens" of
American prisoners, Laos was not included in the negotiations ending
American involvement in the war, and the U.S. has never negotiated for the
freedom of these men since that time. Consequently, not one American held in
Laos has ever been released.

No one saw Hummel and Milliner die after their aircraft disappeared into the
clouds. As participants in missions over Laos, which were often classified
and dangerous, they were undoubtedly warned that they could be killed or
captured. They may not have dreamed they would be abandoned.

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                                        [milliner .98 03/01/98]

Louisville, KY Courier Journal
January 29, 1998
By Sheldon S. Shafer
The Courier Journal

County to fly POW flag; family says son is alive

A black-and-white prisoner of war flag will fly at the Jefferson County
courthouse after the family of Army warrant officer William Milliner
said they believe he remains alive and captive nearly 27 years after his
chopper crashed in Laos.

"Our son is alive. We know where he is within 10 kilometers," Joe
Milliner, the missing officer's father, said at a Fiscal Court meeting
Tuesday.

Family members say they have evidence they believe proves William
Milliner suffered permanent injuries and is being held captive in the
Southeast Asian country a quarter century after the Vietnam War ended.

They asked Fiscal Court to fly the commemorative POW flag -- which has
the silhouette of a soldier's head inside a white circle on a black
field -- to honor soldiers missing in action from Vietnam and other
wars.

Judge-Executive Dave Armstrong said the county will fly the POW flag,
along with the U.S. and Jefferson County flags.

The request was overshadowed, however, by the family's claim that they
have made significant strides in their effort to locate the pilot. Joe
Milliner said he plans to publish a book this spring titled "The Angel
and the Eagle" about the search.

William Milliner, a 1968 graduate of Trinity High School who attended
Western Kentucky University for a year, joined the Army at the height of
the Vietnam War because he wanted to be a pilot, his father said. He was
20 when he was reported missing over Laos on March 6, 1971.

According to the best accounts, Joe Milliner said, four Cobra
helicopters, all low on fuel, had flown through a heavy barrage of North
Vietnamese anti-aircraft fire and were on their way back to their base
in South Vietnam. William Milliner's helicopter never made it. The Army
still lists him as missing in action.

Larry Greer, a spokesman for the Defense Department's POW-Missing
Personnel Office in Washington, appeared skeptical of the Milliner's
claims. He said the department has "no knowledge of anyone being alive
and held against their will" in Southeast Asia from the Vietnam era.

"The evidence we have" would not support the Milliners' belief that
their son is alive. Greer said. There are about 2,100 service members
listed as missing from the Vietnam War, he said, and no soldier held
prisoner has been found alive in nearly 20 years.

Greer said some families of POWs have been the victim of scams, and he
urged the Milliners to share any information they may have with his
office.

But Joe Milliner said he has asked the military for help for many years
and has been greeted with skepticism.

"We gave up on (getting help from the military) four years ago," he
said.

Milliner said the family has been working primarily outside government
channels to find his son. He referred to them as "private, mercenary
types" but was reluctant to be more specific for fear that might
jeopardize the effort. He said there had been at least one unsuccessful
attempt to rescue William Milliner.

Joe Milliner said the family has received independent reports of people
seeing his son as recently as 1992. He believes his son has injuries
including a "missing or useless" left arm and permanent damage to his
left side and left ear which is partly missing. He also said he is
trying to raise money to travel to Laos to search for his son.

Note: Joseph Milliner, father of William, was captured and held prisoner of
war during WWII. In October of 1998, Joe's book, "The Angel and the Eagle"
was released. The book is loaded with POW/MIA documentation. Both paperback
($19.95) and hardback (24.95) are available. Send checks to Mr. J. Milliner,
281 Fincastle Way, Shepardsville, KY  40165. Please add $4.00 for shipping
and handling.

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This is a conversation with VHPA Historian Gary Roush 08/12/2006

Ken Davis <virtualwall@alltel.net>

Gary Roush <groush2@earthlink.net>

Subject: Re: VHPA-Aircraft Incident 67-15464, MIA's

Gary

 This is real bizarre case, aircraft disappears in fog, apparently on GCA
 and then is seen heading back toward Laos by the lead craft.  Crashes
 somewhere.

 Bill, unless the above is stated in Hummel's family's paperwork it's not
 what happened - at least not according to the VHPA summary.  For simplicity,
 let's term the two AH-1s as "Lead" and "Wing".

The VHPA Summary says the two aircraft "WERE PROVIDING SUPPORT FOR THE
EXTRACTION OF A DOWNED AIRCREW IN LAOS".  There was a SAR effort underway
about 15 NM west of Khe Sanh on 06 Mar ... don't know who started it, but a
1st SOS Skyraider (A-1H 52-139734) was shot down during it.  Pilot 1stLt C L
Tipton was picked up by USAF SAR helo.  No further word on the initial SAR
target, though. However -

* The two aircraft presumably were in formation or whatever passed for a
  combat spread in AH-1s when they departed station for Khe Sanh.
* Lead calls a radio frequency change to GCI freq.  Summary IMPLIES but
  does not explicitly state that Wing responded ("THIS WAS THE LAST RADIO
  CONTACT" Lead had with Wing to me implies a response from Wing).
* GCI directs climb to 5000' and 020 heading.
* Aircraft attain that altitude and heading and are in formation in
  the clear
* At undefined position GCI directs a descending right turn to 4000' heading
  070.
* Lead complies but Wing does not.
* Lead notes Wing passing overhead, maintaining altitude and heading
* Lead enters undercast, shoots GCI, lands.
* Nobody knows nothing about Wing.

In short, nobody saw Wing after Lead entered the undercast, and at that time
Wing was heading 020 degrees (north-northeast) at approx 5000' going toward
the DMZ.  Further, nobody had radio contact with him after the frequency
shift to GCI freq.

I've never even contemplated a GCI run into Khe Sanh, although I eyeballed
it often enough going to and from Laos.  The geometry indicates the aircraft
were being brought in from the west or southwest.  The initial 020 heading
turning to 070 sounds like a cut to intercept extended base leg followed by
a descending turn to base leg preparatory to a further right turn to final
heading down the valley to the east of the airfield (the valley ran NW-SE,
although the runways weren't parallel to the valley axis).

If all that makes sense, what you end up with is Wing trucking along 020
toward the DMZ for some indefinite period of time.  What he might have done
after that seems to be pure speculation.

I've both brought home, and been brought home while in, "no radio" aircraft
and durned if that's not what this evolution sounds like to me.  What I
don't understand, though, is why * Lead did not verify radio comms with Wing
*after* the freq change (that's SOP in the dark-blue-suit world, as are
missed-comm procedures) * Why, when Lead saw Wing obviously missing the
boat, Lead didn't take immediate action to rejoin on Wing but rather just
went on his merry way (dark-blue-suit SOP is that Lead is responsible for
the flight, not just his own butt) and/or * Lead didn't start hollering on
all available radios and/or communicate the problem to GCI *before* getting
on the ground (that's called common sense everywhere) Personally, I wouldn't
want to have (much less be) a Lead so blase about a Wingie who is obviously
having a problem.

As to qualifications...
  * TAGCEN lacks MOS for both crewmen
  * CACCF lacks MOS for Hummel, says Milliner was 100E ("Attack Helicopter
    Pilot")
  * TAGCEN shows Hummel as "pilot/operator", Milliner as "copilot" -
    i.e., both crewmen. 1993 and 2003 CACCFs concur.
  * VHPA says AC CW3 HUMMEL JOHN FLOYD BNR
    P CW3 MILLINER WILLIAM PATRICK BNR but don't know the source for labeling
    Milliner as a passenger.  That conflicts with TAGCEN and CACCFs.

BR/Ken

Hi Ken,

The confusion on Milliner is because he was not AH-1G rated and was sent to
the unit by mistake.  He volunteered to fly this mission because they were
short of pilots.  There was also a belief, which was incorrect, that he was
also not helicopter rated.  This is probably what led to the designation of
passenger.  In any case, he was helicopter rated so the passenger
designation is wrong.

 Gary

Hi, Gary...

Won't get too much argument out of me ... I don't know.  I will again note
that the 1993 and 2003 CACCFs claim he was a "100E", which I thought was an
AH-1 MOS.

BR/Ken

Hi Ken,

You are right on the MOS.  Either way it does not change that we carry him
as a pilot in a Cobra.

Gary

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